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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote: In a love relationship with anyone, do the lovers expect something in return? Does Jesus? Or does He show the lengths He has gone to receive love in return? Putting the well-being of a lover before one's own, is common sense, or the lover will soon find someone else who does meet the requirements in the relationship. Platonic love, on the other hand, is not what Jesus practices, nor do true lovers in a lovers' relationship.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Equating love with sex is off the subject. Love your enemy and your neighbor is not wanting something in return? I'm not talking about wacky tv shows, I'm talking about Christian love expressed toward others with hope the same will be returned. Jesus hopes His love is returned; I hope my love is returned.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Do you have children? Are they faithful to you and the sacrifices you have made for them? If they were not (and there are many who are not), how would you feel, expecially when they make all kinds of promises only to flaunt them at you at every turn and you plead with them to think, because you have also spoken about consequences, but they still do not listen? I call myself your child, I identify with you, I am identified with you. If I do not behave as should your child, I behave as if I should be someone else's child, you'd look for ways to change that, yes? What should happen to the bullheaded who will never change? You will stop calling them your children. Jesus is the Abrahamic God, and He most certainly expects something in return in reciprocation for those things He did to get it. The remarkable thing about that is, it is our decision to do or not to do. Edited by ThreeDogs, : No reason given.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:I'm giving you the dictionary definition of unconditional. It means there are no strings attached. This has absolutely nothing to do with judgment. Neither is Jesus' love unconditional, since He most certainly expects something in return, since there are most certainly strings attached. un·con·di·tion·al-adjective 1. not limited by conditions; absolute: an unconditional promise. Christ's love is limited by conditions we must meet to meet His promises of eternal life. Since we are His creatures, His property if you will, we receive all His promises. If you think about this logically, rather than emotionally, you will have a better understanding of what God means when He says ... Come let us reason together! Isaiah 1:18 (King James Version)18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote: Are you familiar with the biblical term reprobate? Check it out, if you are not.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:You are too hung up on the word conditional and unconditional. You won't find it in scripture, so it must be something from the vocabulary of your affiliations. quote: This doesn't make much sense to me, since change is the first requirement of our relationship with Jesus. If you cannot be what He wants you to be, even tho He makes the tools for it available, you don't understand a thing about Him.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Yes, they can. You only have to read the bible to know that His feelings were wounded again and again. quote:Familiarize yourself with the biblical term reprobate, what it is and when it happens. quote:Your observation is entirely your own, much more, you are entitled to have it. quote:Are you now, in your life, punished for wrongdoing? If you don't believe in His existence, why do you ask such questions?
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:What did Jesus tell the rich young ruler?
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote: Be glad to .... From Luke 18:[22] "... Then come, follow me."
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5880 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
I let my points be made for me, and thank you for your help, in particular and especially. However, you have served your usefulness, but again, thank you.
---------------------------------- 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
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