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Author Topic:   Defining Unconditional love
Am5n 
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Message 61 of 104 (448716)
01-14-2008 11:04 PM


nator writes:
God doesn't offer unconditional love. We have to do something for Him or get punished.
Jesus suffered upon the cross and paid for our sins. Jesus had passed a bowl around for those who sinned put their sin in the bowl and continued to pass it around. When Jesus received the bowl, He drank of it.
Now I already know God hates sin, He hates it so bad he tossed Adam and Eve out right on their buttocks. I cannot even imagine what Jesus was thinking at that moment, but I do love him. Even though Jesus was The Son of God, God treated Jesus the same way he would treat anyone who sinned. He didn't favor Jesus, nor let Jesus take the easy way out. We are equal nonetheless. If I was to deny Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, I am "Guaranteed" to be casted down into the lake of fire. If I were to take Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, I am "Guaranteed" to have Eternal life.
For those who think Religious folks don't think for themselves and just follow their church and members, let me ask you something. We are people too, We can think for ourselves, just because many religious people think if you don't believe in God your some fruitcake, it doesn't mean their following what the other members do, and even if they were, I'm gonna tell ya right now, I'll even tell this right to your face dawg, go out and look around, then come back and think about what you saw. Everybody is a follower nowadays, its just a matter of who ya following that counts.
sincerely yours, Amen.
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Am5n 
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Message 81 of 104 (448990)
01-15-2008 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by nator
01-15-2008 5:47 PM


nator writes:
(This is aside from the problem of Adam and Eve not knowing the difference between right and wrong before eating of the tree, so how could they know it was a sin to do so?)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” [Genesis 2]
nator writes:
Um, Jesus didn't exist yet, if I have my timeline correct.
If you read my post, I talked about Jesus Christ taking all our sins and died for them.
nator writes:
And, by the way, I don't follow any particular philosophy or religion.
You still haven't realized it, have you? Your freedom is limited. If your not a leader, your a follower of 1. Everyone, including myself has made choices in their lives, yet we already make choices, of which are out of our control.
What would you say, if I told you that "you can't think for yourself, but God does the thinking for you"?
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Message 85 of 104 (449085)
01-16-2008 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by pelican
01-15-2008 6:16 PM


Re: stuck in the past
Heinrik writes:
Amen, I truly wish you could read your own post objectively. It blows me away.
Okey dokey. lol.
Heinrik writes:
Yes, you do think for yourself but look at your thoughts! Good god, how many millions of people over thousands of years have had those same thoughts and beliefs? I find it utterly incredible.
Indeed.

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Message 86 of 104 (449089)
01-16-2008 3:50 PM


nator writes:
If you had to do something to get it, then it isn't unconditional.
"Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."
Yes nator, I'll be there counting my money and laughing.

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Message 88 of 104 (449174)
01-16-2008 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by pelican
01-16-2008 4:44 PM


Re: stuck in the past
Heinrik writes:
The world has completely changed and yet you hold on to these mythical ideas from a different time and place.
Well thats what I was taught in public school! They don't teach you to think about the future in history class, but I do know 1 thing and that is "Everyone can learn from the past" which I think can help us create a brighter future. I'm not stuck in the past, you on the other hand, seem to focus on the future. Sure there are bad things in the past, but we can try to understand them and correct its mistakes, though in todays society, there are those who work in a fashion, of which more often corrupts certain aspects of todays society, when trying to learn from its past.
Heinrik writes:
Don't you think it may be time to challenge your thinking and give yourself a chance to come up with original thought based in today's reality?
If I was to not learn from the past, then I would help others corrupt the todays society, which I have no intentions of doing.
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Message 90 of 104 (449193)
01-17-2008 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by pelican
01-17-2008 12:37 AM


Re: stuck in the past
Heinrik writes:
Where have your beliefs changed from the past?
I've most definitely changed my beliefs from the past.
Heinrik writes:
How have you learned from the past when you just repeat the same ideas?
Whatever I repeat from the past is to be considered "valuable" information to me and others.
Heinrik writes:
Do you really believe you will be cast down into a lake of fire?
yes I do and I was cast down to Hell.
Heinrik writes:
When did that ever happen?
I died from pneumonia, my mother was crying next to me, my father started to comfort my mother, though he kept close to my mother, he also feared she would try to kill herself. I was 16 yrs old and I didn't believe in God. I rejected God and cursed his name for the pain this world caused me. I was dead for a minute and 43 seconds, though it felt like I suffered for years in Hell. I still can't forget what I saw and I never will forget the pain I felt, It is 1 trillion times as painful, as this world will ever be. I'm thankful and am glad to have been given a 2nd chance.
As always, some people will never believe something, that is until they see it, then they'll wish they never had.
Heinrik writes:
If you aren't meaning these ideas to be taken literally, then what do you mean?
I do mean them to be taken literally, just because some people don't take them literally, it doesn't mean I don't want them to be.
by the way who are you to judge me?
some of the judges in the court like to think they have some authority, but as always, people like to think they have something, of which they will never have. People always want what they cant have. You want to be loved by God, but are not willing to obey him, therefor you would like to think your going to heaven anyway, but the truth is, some of the things you might want, you just can't have and will never have. People try to make everything so difficult nowadays, what ever happen to "KISS". you know what I mean? Keep It Simple Stupid.

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