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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Internet troll - Wikipedia
quote: An example of this last kind of behavior can be seen HERE and HERE. In my experience trolls are defined by any one of four behaviors: (1) posting in a manner designed to elicit a flame response or getting one to lose your cool. This can include being obscene or seeming to be extremely obtuse about even the simplest things (like what Δ means in a formula). (2) posting in a manner designed to disrupt the discussion - going off topic, posting large amounts of irrelevant things, usually done in spam like intensity, plastering messages onto all threads. Such messages often include gross language and elements of (1) above. (3) changing topic titles (doesn't work here) so that people are confused about where threads went, usually combined with (2) above. (4) using an ID that mimics that of another user and then insulting other users hoping they will flame the mimicked user. This is done by using things like v-v (vv)instead of w and r-n (rn) instead of m, of lowercase L for upper case i, zero for capital o etc. Some such substitutions work better in some fonts than others, and being able to control your display font is one way to identify these. They also work better when people aren't expecting them, and read the names quickly (0perasinger vs Operasinger). Experienced users choose names that are immune to such manipulations. If you think someone is a troll then
This is the only tried and tested, effective method for dealing with trolls. On boards that are not monitored (yes virginia they do exist) it is the only way to get rid of them. Even on monitored boards it can reduce the number of reappearances (Arnen?) Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : clarity Edited by RAZD, : added example by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes, I had a bit of a chuckle reading that one (see message). I also figured "Heinrik" as a troll when the level of information requested reached a ridiculous level of obtuseness ("can you write that formula out in words?").
Others have noticed as well. It's a matter of experience I guess. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I decided to start this thread when I read your post
http://EvC Forum: Transitional Forms -->EvC Forum: Transitional Forms It seems we have at least one troll around. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
the Report Problem Posts thread is not one for discussions, so I started this one to discuss trolling issues.
This may not be the right place to report this, but I think the thread "Evolutionary superiority" is page after page of trolling (I refer specifically to nearly every message by paula rose and Hill Billy in the last two pages, and many earlier posts by the same people). I agree with Right now, I say "If you don't want to participate in an act of stupidity, then don't participate in that act of stupidity". Or something like that. Don't feed the trolls. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
EvC is so much better now. It is so great. I fully support Percy in his wish to improve the level of debate on his forum. Dealing with trolls is one way to do that.
We have lots and lots of posts from hill billy and paula rose now, when just a few weeks ago we had lots of posts from Ringo and jar. One of the issues that Percy had was people carrying grudges from one thread to another, and you had to be an oldtimer to then know what is going on. One way to clear the air is to ban everyone that did that and the ones that were targets, start fresh in other words with "new" people (or new incarnations of old people). There were also a lot of chit-chat posts and complaints, posts that are no better than troll posts. I like the streamlined system. I think the standard is pretty easy: keep your posts on topic, support your debate with additional information when needed, don't add to problems.
How else can I protest the suspension (speaking of "acts of stupidity") of so many excellent posters in the name of "making EvC better"? Beat your head against the wall: at least it will feel better when you stop. The suspension of people has been pretty irrelevant in the history of the board, imho, and the use of new\alternative user IDs has been tacitly tolerated by many (simple, whatever, the twins, as well as our newcomers). Feeding the trolls means just descending to their level and turning into one yourself, hardly a valuable position to attain. Conversely if there were a dearth of constructive conversation and commentary on various topics, such as the Grand Canyon from the Bottom up, then an argument could be made for inviting old members back. What do you want to accomplish? Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I've never disagreed with oyu in the past, but I totally disagree with what you say here Good.
You may think the standard is pretty easy, but it seems to me that many of our "non-evolutionist" posters are not willing or able to do this and they are not being sanctioned. The standard has always been lower for the creationists. Percy has also drawn a distinction between moderation on science threads and places like coffeehouse, where pretty much anything goes. Most of the posts by the newcomers have been in the coffeehouse arena. JohnFulton is doing an interesting job with global cooling, but he is presenting information and not just opinion.
At the same time, many of us old-timers are trying to carry on with business as usual, yet we continually hit our head against a brick wall of dishonest debating. Such as never producing an argument FOR ID? But you know (and I know and they know) that there is not an argument that can be provided, that the sheet of the talking points regarding this issue was omitted in the original plan to attack education through politics. CTD and Berreta aren't able to produce evidence of something that has not been provided in the first place. Don't you thing asking for that is like asking a rhetorical question? Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Do they crave attention or do they simply like watching other people get angry at them? Don't know what motivates them. I agree with Coyote that crank is more likely, given the amount of effort he has put into creating is wiki pages to use for external support, building his own microcosm. There might be an element of cognitive dissonance here, where the lack of external support is compensated by building this false microcosm as a cocoon provides refuge from reality. Like someone having their own blog to spread their word and where they control what facts are used and what facts are ignored. Curiously, I was also thinking Loony Of The Week would be appropriate. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : lnk Edited by RAZD, : addedby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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