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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: I know you guys won't take this as real, and there'll probably be around 20 different comments to this, so just don't worry about it. If you want, I'll start a new thread. However, here it is: I feel that the grass is evidence. You and me are evidence. The earth and all the other planets are evidence. The whole universe, its nebulas, galaxies, quasars, are evidence for God. The fact that you are alive, breathing, and reading this message is evidence for God.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: Oh, just like you don't know evolution happened, you only believe them.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: How about this? I know how God works. I do not know why God does what He does.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: A diploma can be forged.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: How is that an accurate representation of atheists and christians. Here: Would you want to stomp your toes? So why would God? Yes, God can, but why would he? Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: Okay, let's put this into context. Lets say that: First, we've only been to three spherical celestial bodies (earth, moon, mars). We've only found life on one. So, we've only observed one 'river'. And, I'd observed the river (remember we've excluded every other river because we only know one world) for five days (or fifty years). Now if an evolutionist saw that this stalactite grew only a half of a centimeter in fifty years, he'd think that the 2-meter-tall stalactite would be 200 years old, right. Yet, I'm not allowed to do that? Sure, using knowledge of other rivers would disprove my theory of that 'watery black hole', but if we ever visit worlds outside of our solar system and if we find life on them, then our knowledge would expand. Now, we know that seasons can affect a river's flow. And those changed quite possibly would put debris into the river. But, if one only observed the river for five days during a calm, debris-free period (and had no knowledge of seasons' effect on rivers), one would think that absolutely nothing floated down the river but fish and water. Who knows if the Milky Way doesn't have seasons? What if it does, but we've only been alive (or recording) for a 'five-day period' and have had no knowledge of these galactic seasons that may have affect on the earth's clock. Personally, I think that a 'galactic season-change' will be here soon (within five years, to be more exact). Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: Well, if Jim is laying dead with blood still seeping from a knife wound and Bob is the only other person (let's assume that the detectives don't exist), then we could logically assume that Bob killed Jim. I'm saying that Bob killed Jim. You're saying that the wind blew the knife off of the magnetic knife holder, it bounced twice on the counter, went into a toaster which popped up, and threw the knife into Jim who happened to be fixing a bowl of cereal next to the toaster and that Bob never existed. P.S. Jim is dead, because we're alive. I assumed that the death of Jim referred to the beginning of life. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: What happened to the dodo? What is happening to the whales? How come ever since man started to record things, we've only seen species go extinct. We've never seen a new species emerge. So, if species are only going extinct, the farther back in time you go, the more species you'd get. However, according to evolution, everything has descended from a freak accident cell, [i]one single species[i]! So evolutionists can't explain the decreasing species numbers. But I can. The wisest and richest man in the world a long time ago wrote something. He was the guy that had the ability to do anything, have anything, etc. and he realized it was all for rot. Here's what he wrote:
King Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10 writes: ...there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. Edited by Ichthus, : More information. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: That's nice, but how does those five minutes have anything to do with anything? My time periods were actually in relation, because somebody tried to put that river with the world, so I expounded. You expounded on nothing. You just pulled numbers out of mid-air. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: If new species are emerging, how come we're worried about others going extinct. According to you, these new species are better that the last ones, so shouldn't we be attempting to help evolution create the perfect animal. Just for clarification, humans aren't the perfect animal.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
Rahvin writes: You're delving too deeply into an analogy Sorry, I tend to do that. Yes, I admit that microevolution is an inevidable chemical process. However, abiogenesis is not inevitable. It is a huge leap of extreme proportions, just like somebody jumping from the lunar orbiter to the moon (and surviving).
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
subbie writes: I never said any species were better than others. Moreoever, I'm pretty sure very few scientists ever said it either. You seem to be confusing the idea of better adapted to survive with a value judgment. The two are not at all the same thing. Well, according to evolution, the surviving species/changing species are better. Thus, you have humans, the better form of all of our animal ancestors.
subbie writes: If humans are the divine creation of god in his image, why aren't they the perfect animal? Well, humans were the perfect animal, but back then all animals were perfect also. However, when man (and woman) detered from God's plan, we became imperfect.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
DrJones* writes: How perfect could man be if we were able to become imperfect? God gave us the ability to chose to turn away from Him and therefore, be imperfect. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
Rahvin writes: Out of curiosity, what would you say if scientists were able to, from base organic chemicals we know occur naturally in environments devoid of life (see: Titan, Saturn's moon), over several steps cause life to form? If scientists are eventually able to create life from nonlife, what will be your reaction? I mean, that will be solid proof that life on this planet could have arisen by totally natural means - and without any evidence of any other cause, it becomes the logical default explanation. I'm actually surprised that you didn't argue that scientists have already 'created' life (cloning, genetic engineering, etc.) I was all prepared to break out in a speech about how that's not creating life, but altering it. However, as such that I haven't the need to do so, I'll answer your question. I personally believe that either or However, under the event that science does prove that life could be created from non-living matter, I would probably want to know what the precautions were to make sure the robot sent to Titan (under the extreme case of trying to create life from non-living matter) didn't have any life on it that might mar the experiment. Then, if I was sure that it was correct and science created life, I'm not sure what I'd do. I would probably (actually would) admit that aboigenesis would be possible, but that doesn't prove that the cell(s) created could, in any way, shape, or form, could become something as complex as humans even in hundreds of millions of years. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
Taz writes: To distinguish the difference between micro and macro evolution, it helps to think of it like walking. If you take a step from where you are to the next house, you are one step closer to it. If you take another step, you are another step closer to it. The small changes in your position by taking those small steps you could see as "micro" evolution. Now, if you take enough steps over long periods of time, you could end up a thousand miles away. Yes, but what if there are huge walls that you can't possibly get through between you and the next 'house'? Just like in biology, you could assume that the distances between, say, a chimp and a human as the distance between two houses. However, I'm thinking (THINKING) that there are boundaries that won't allow a chimp to reach the human 'house' because of this giant, impassable wall between the two. Remember Mendel's laws.... Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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