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Wounded King
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Message 105 of 164 (455877)
02-14-2008 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
02-14-2008 10:51 AM


1. The problem with this analogy is if one takes a long walk a step at a time, the trail can be traced and reproduced all the way back to the point of departure which is not the case with evolution.
All the time? Every step? In every case?
This sounds like pure hyperbole.
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WK

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Wounded King
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Message 108 of 164 (455883)
02-14-2008 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by ICANT
02-14-2008 11:46 AM


Stationary creationism
How come after more than a century creationists still don't have better arguments than 'Why are there still monkeys?' and 'No one has ever seen a fish turn into a lizard.' Don't you ever feel you would be better able to argue your case if you had even the slightest inkling of what evolution is actually supposed to involve?
Secondly by at least one of your definitions, 'A qualitative change
- transformation, shift', transmutation is occurring all the time in as organisms reproduce, didn't you ever notice the term mutation in genetics discussions?
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WK

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Wounded King
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Message 139 of 164 (456038)
02-15-2008 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by ICANT
02-14-2008 12:23 PM


Re: Stationary creationism
These are not my definitions.
They are from the selection of definitions you posted. What was the point in posting definitions from three different sites if you don't agree with them? Why not just give us the definition you intend. Making it multiple choice doesn't help.
Could you point out in my Message 107 are in any of my other 1100+ posts I asked such a question.
I wasn't saying that you said it, I was commenting that it was one of the oldest most oft repeated creationist arguments that only someone with a total failure to understand evolution would make as was the argument you were putting forward which was essentially the 'No one has ever seen a fish turn into a lizard' argument.
You wouldn't by chance be doing a little trolling would you?
No, I wouldn't.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 142 of 164 (456069)
02-15-2008 10:23 AM
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02-15-2008 8:55 AM


Re: Stationary creationism
The part you mentioned as pointing to your point of view you never did address the difference between:
"A transformation and a transmutation are not the same thing
Im not sure your first sentence here makes sense, I never said anything about my point of view. None of the definitions seem to support this, in fact two out of the three definitions seem to consider transformation and transmutation to be the same. You want me to address a non-existent difference you made up? Wouldn't it be better for you to address it by giving us your definition of transmutation and emphasising the distinction?
Not that it matters particularly since your definition is apparently completely divorced from anything to do with evolution.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 144 of 164 (456082)
02-15-2008 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by ICANT
02-15-2008 10:58 AM


Re: Stationary creationism
Since Mirriam-Webster's thesaurus lists Transform and Transmute as synonyms the first definitions of each word seem effectively identical.
The same page then goe s on to make the kind of distinction you seem to be making.
Transform may imply a mere changing of outward form or appearance
...
Transmute usually suggests a fundamental change, especially one involving a metamorphosis of a lower element or thing into a higher one
Clearly this definition of transform is not applicable to evolution. The evolutionary genetic changes we see are obvious not merely a change of outward form or appearance, they are a change in the basic genetic structure of the organism.
Once again your definition of transmutation shows it to be inimicable to evolution as it is scientifically understood, not as you suggest required by it. There are no categorically higher and lower things in evolutionary biology.
TTFN,
WK

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