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dwise1
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Message 14 of 164 (453560)
02-03-2008 4:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 5:34 PM


Typical creationist crap. Recycled from Chick Pubs tracts. Which I have on occasion found left in public restrooms. Where they are woefully too small to do much good should the stall have run out of TP.
And could you please correct your signature? It is an affront to everyone who has ever studied Greek. Which you quite obviously never have.
Ichthys - Wikipedia
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{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)
Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

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dwise1
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Message 68 of 164 (454323)
02-06-2008 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by nator
02-06-2008 9:35 AM


That he picked you, a privilaged rich person, to help with something as trivial and meaningless as your raft getting stuck, when millions are suffering, or being raped, or getting shot, or blown up, or stabbed, and he makes not one effort to do anything about it.
...but He's very concerned with your raft.
your God has strange priorities.
Hey! It's his god. If he wants to create a god who thinks that everything revolves around Ichthys, then everything else, including the truth, is by definition peripheral.

{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)
Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

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dwise1
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Message 130 of 164 (455941)
02-14-2008 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by teen4christ
02-14-2008 3:12 PM


Re: Re-Walking
Case in point were "green fossils" of magnolia leaves. These were leaves that were preserved but which did not mineralize, so protein sequences survived and were studied. Although the leaves were structurally identitical to modern magnolia leaves, the proteins did display patterns of change over time.
From an article in either Science or Nature from the mid-1980's. I should have a copy stowed away somewhere, but I don't know in which box.

{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)
Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

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dwise1
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Message 160 of 164 (457030)
02-21-2008 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Valerie
02-21-2008 1:56 AM


What about the Palonium Halos that Dr. Robert Gentry found in the granites. No one has ever been able to refute those! That showed that the granites had to form instantly!
PRATT!
When the sites Gentry obtained his samples of basement granite were visited by other geologists, they found that he had obtained them from igneous intrusions into metamorphic rock. In other words, instead of being original rock instantly called into being at the beginning of the earth's existence, it was rock that had intruded itself via underground lava flow into rock that had pre-existed for so long that it had been transformed from its original form (that is what metamorphic rock is).
When Wakefield investigated Gentry's sites, Gentry was at first cooperative, but as soon as Wakefield started discovering the truth, Gentry became very uncooperative.
BTW, in the 1981 Arkansas "balanced-treatment" trial the teacher who had been put in charge of creating the "creation science" curriculum testified that the only reference she could find supporting "creation science" was a Reader's Digest article on Gentry's claim (she already had to reject the Institute for Creation Research's materials because they were too blatantly religious). Upon examination, Gentry's claims have also proven to be false.
No one has ever been able to refute those!
Completely and utterly false. Whoever told you that was lying to you. Gentry's claims have been refuted since the 1980's and have had to be refuted another thousand times because creationists refuse to face the truth and continue to spread the exact same lies about his claim.
That's what the acronym PRATT tells you: "refuted a thousand times." Practically the entire body of "scientific evidence" offered up by creationists are nothing but PRATTs.
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{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)
Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

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