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ICANT
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Message 119 of 164 (455926)
02-14-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Rahvin
02-14-2008 2:05 PM


Re-Walking
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
And the analogy doesn't claim otherwise. But if we breed a specific species of fruit fly, seperate a group from the main population, and add a selective pressure (mild amounts of a pesticide, forinstance), the seperated population will eventually develop into an organism very similar to but not identical to the original population. If we do such things for long enough, the two populations will no longer interbreed, and a true new species will have formed. We've done this in the lab, ICANT. Your strawmanning of evolution and dishonest remarks regarding analogies meant to help you understand amount to lies.
He was still a fruit fly.
Rahvin writes:
Evolution has been observed. It is a fact. The mechanism it describes has been extremely accurate in predicting what we should find int he fossil record, and no evidence has ever been shown to disprove it.
You get that fruit fly to be something other than a fruit fly then claim it is a fact.
Neither has evidence been shown to disprove God either.
Rahvin writes:
You're shifting the goalposts to a point where human lifespans dictate that we can never make an experiment to your satisfaction.
I gave you evidence for 66 million years of a foram remaining a foram.
The same 66 million years man is supposed to have evolved from what was left after the extinction event of 66 million years ago.
I am not moving the goal posts. They are right where they have always been. For evolution to be true transmutation has to have occurred many times. There is no evidence. You say there is so where is it?
Rhavin writes:
So where is the cutoff, ICANT? If it's not a new species that you want, what is it?
It makes no difference how much change there is if it is the same animal.
I will put my horses back up as my avatar. They are both full grown horses. Tell me how they could produce offspring.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 131 of 164 (455942)
02-14-2008 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by teen4christ
02-14-2008 2:59 PM


Re-Micro Macro
Hi t4c,
teen4christ writes:
Again, I'm not saying I believe in evolution. In fact, I don't think I've ever stated on here my stance on the matter. But that doesn't mean I have to accept strawman arguments.
I produced 3 species of hogs that could not breed to each other.
I was giving a personal example of evolution that I know.
I also gave an example of 66 million years of evolution that produced 330 different species of forams.
It seems like after 66 millions years and at least 330 different species in over 500,000 years they were still forams.
teen4christ writes:
And what is being preached here about evolution?
Every life form you see today has evolved from a single cell life form that existed 500 million years ago.
This transformation has come about by the process of evolution. Evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. There are many factors involved in causing these changes to occure.
Some processes have been observed to occur.
Others have never been observed or evidence given for.
teen4christ writes:
You're not even getting the very basics of evolution right. Why would anyone believe you when you get up on your podium with your reverend hat on and start preaching against evolution?
I don't have time to waste on evolution from my pulpit. I preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified for a lost and dying world. All those who do not receive the full free pardon offered by God will spend eternity in a lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels. I also point out how we are supposed to love the people of the world as much as Jesus loved us.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 134 of 164 (455977)
02-14-2008 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Rahvin
02-14-2008 4:39 PM


Re-Seeing
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
I can't say "god doesn't exist." I can say "I don't see anything that suggests he does."
That is probably because you are spiritually blind. I hope the condition doesn't last too long.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 141 of 164 (456057)
02-15-2008 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Wounded King
02-15-2008 5:06 AM


Re: Stationary creationism
Hi WK
Wounded King writes:
ICANT writes:
These are not my definitions.
They are from the selection of definitions you posted. What was the point in posting definitions from three different sites if you don't agree with them? Why not just give us the definition you intend. Making it multiple choice doesn't help.
When I say these are not my definitions, I am pointing out that they belong to the respective places quoted. In other words I did not make them up.
The part you mentioned as pointing to your point of view you never did address the difference between:
"A transformation and a transmutation are not the same thing." Message 111
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 143 of 164 (456076)
02-15-2008 10:58 AM
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02-15-2008 10:23 AM


Re: Stationary creationism
Hi WK,
Transformation Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Transformation
1: an act, process, or instance of transforming or being transformed
2: false hair worn especially by a woman to replace or supplement natural hair
Transmutation Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Transmutation:: an act or instance of transmuting or being transmuted: as a: the conversion of base metals into gold or silver b: the conversion of one element or nuclide into another either naturally or artificially
Transmutation is changing one element into another element.
Transformation
You can change the outward form or appearance
You can tranform the composition of a sentence or its structure.
You can change in character or condition.
I don't see them being the same thing.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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