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Crooked to what standard
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Message 135 of 164 (455984)
02-14-2008 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by teen4christ
02-14-2008 3:20 PM


teen4christ writes:
Mendel was talking about inheritence from one generation to the next. Going back to the analogy of walking, Mendel was talking about standing still. He didn't know that DNA existed or that DNA mutation was inevitable. In other words, he didn't know that you could walk. All he knew was that if you stood still in one position at 12 o'clock, at 12:01 you'd still be at that position. He didn't know that you will inevitably start walking.
Okay, so let's say that you have to start walking. You start at point A. You have no idea how you got to point A, but you did. You can't see, but you know that you have to start walking. So, you walk in a direction--right off of a cliff.
Now there are millions of blind people at point A (a mountain peak, by the way). They all start walking. Their goal is to reach point B. However, the only way to point B is a narrow ridge between two steep cliffs.
So they all walk. Let's say 100,000,000 start. Just randomly walking, only about fifty would make it to point B. The others died by simply walking off the cliff, or they were pushed off by others.
So these fifty people rest at point B and start reproducing. While reproducing, some wander away--off cliffs. Others might reach their new destination, point C, but have no others to reproduce with, so they'll not contribute to the population at point C.
And soon, another reaches point C. Population increases there.
And so on and so on until you reach point n. Here, the only way to get to point n+1, you need to build a bridge across the chasm that separates you two. There is no ridge. There, at point n+1 you have the platypus (which has no home on the evolutionary tree) or the bombardier beetle.
WAIT AND READ ON
Before you hit the reply button hear me out. Before you say "PRATT!", hear me out.
I know you think I'm going to say 'Ha, the beetle couldn't have evolved', know that I did my research. I found a website, Bombardier Beetles and the Argument of Design, that explains how the beetle could have evolved.
However, since you evolutionists like to use the argument "We've never seen God, therefore He can't exist", I'll use something along the same lines.
Muscles are moved around slightly....
When have we ever observed a change (mutation) where 'muscles move around slightly'? The only good mutation anybody's ever given is bacteria developing a resistance to a phage.
When has a mutation moved muscles around, which is a key part in the bombardier beetle's 'evolution'?

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Crooked to what standard
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Message 136 of 164 (455986)
02-14-2008 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by teen4christ
02-14-2008 3:21 PM


teen4christ writes:
Do precells count?
So precells show the eight characteristics of life? Are they made from one or more cells? Do they require energy? Do they respond to stimuli? Do they reproduce? Do they display organization? Do they adapt? Do they grow? Do they maintain homeostasis?
The answers, respectively are, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.
So, my answer is 'No, precells do not count.

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Crooked to what standard
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Message 137 of 164 (455987)
02-14-2008 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Rahvin
02-14-2008 4:39 PM


Rahvin writes:
I don't pretend I can "disprove" the existence of a deity - the supernatural is unfalsifiable almost by definition. But absent any reason to believe in a supernatural entity (as in, evidence), I see no reason to do so. Exactly as I have no reason to believe in fairies, your imaginary friend, or His Holy Noodliness. A book is no proof at all, else I would need to beleive in Harry Potter. Tradition and popularity are no good, either - both are logical fallacies, and I'd still have to choose which traditionally popular religion to go with, some of which have no gods or many gods.
Harry Potter is seven books, written by J.K. Rowling, in a period of about a decade. However, the Bible is sixty-six books written by at least twenty authors, over the course of 1,500 years. There is but one similarity between the two.
They both stay on the same subject throughout their entirety.
So, I understand how one writer could write something, and another a few centuries later could read the firsts work and expound on it. However, the Bible's writers never saw each other's writings! How could they talk about the same thing over that long of time?

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