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bluegenes
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Message 6 of 164 (453508)
02-02-2008 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 5:34 PM


Icthus writes:
I recieved this pretty cool e-mail that I'd like debated:
I saw that a couple of years ago on a site debating Islam, put there by one of the faithful, and with Allah instead God and Christ.
The professor comes across as being as ignorant as the average religious nutter, and was clearly invented by one.
A professor who thinks that science only accepts the existence of things that can be observed directly by the five senses?
Obviously, the evangelist idiot who invented this character had the scientific knowledge of a baby.
What's cool about religion thriving on ignorance, Ichthus?
Do you think that scientists deny the existence of gravity, dark matter, the earth's core, and many, many other things because they cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or touched?

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bluegenes
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Message 145 of 164 (456093)
02-15-2008 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Vacate
02-15-2008 1:11 AM


Small World
Vacate writes:
I did a quick google (mutation examples) and came up with this:
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html
Small world. I used that page two days ago on another thread as an example of direct evidence for both random mutation and natural selection.
It does contain what your looking for, and in one experiment, no less than four different advantageous mutations occur in yeast cells.

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bluegenes
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Message 156 of 164 (456984)
02-21-2008 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 5:34 PM


bullshit Christian propagandist quoted in the O.P. writes:
The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
"No sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir, I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"Yes."
"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
Well, swinging back to the topic, the O.P. author thinks that the silly piece of religious propaganda he has quoted is "cool".
In the extract above, for example, we have a fictional science professor who implies that you have to be able to observe phenomena directly with the five senses in order for them to exist. So, we have a scientist who doesn't accept the existence of sub-atomic particles, the earth's core, planets identified by the wobble of their stars, and many other things known or thought by scientists to exist that we cannot see, hear, taste, touch or smell.
On top of that, this "scientist" implies that science tells as that things that it cannot identify at this point in time, like Gods, do not exist, which it certainly does not.
So, here we have an example of an apparently deliberate attempt by Christians to try and deceive people as to what science is, and how scientists attempt to understand the universe.
Ironically, the piece of rubbish in the O.P. could be regarded as evidence of a false religion trying desperately to justify itself.
Why would a true religion need to attempt to deceive naive minds in such a way?

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