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doctrbill
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Message 3 of 36 (4669)
02-15-2002 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by redstang281
02-12-2002 10:28 PM


quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
Evolutionists, what evolved first, sex or the sex drive?
Creationists - According to Genesis chapter one, Which was created first, male or female?
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doctrbill
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Message 5 of 36 (4680)
02-16-2002 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by TrueCreation
02-15-2002 11:30 PM


quote:
Question posted by doctrbill:
"Creationists - According to Genesis chapter one, Which was created first, male or female?"

quote:
Answer posted by TrueCreation:
--I dunno, that one's a toughy!

That's it? That's your response?
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doctrbill
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Message 6 of 36 (4705)
02-16-2002 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by redstang281
02-12-2002 10:28 PM


quote:
redstang281:
Evolutionists, what evolved first, sex or the sex drive?
Creationists - Why do males have nipples?
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If God wanted nudists,
We'd be born naked.

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doctrbill
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Message 16 of 36 (4770)
02-16-2002 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by TrueCreation
02-16-2002 4:06 PM


Quote: Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"--Nipples ... are a sexual stimulant..."
Only if you rub them against your chest.
Quote from AiG link:
"Human embryos are sexually dimorphic at first (i.e. contain characteristics of both sexes), because they all have basically the same genetic information..."
Nonsense. They do NOT contain SEXUAL characteristics of both sexes. They contain characteristics of the x chromosome. Only when the y chromosome comes into play do they begin to show male characteristics.
The embryo is "remodeled" upon influence of the y chromosome. The proto vagina withers to become a ligament. The proto clitoris wraps around the eurethra to become a penis. The proto ovaries are converted to testes.
Consider this: Mammary glands are present in the adult male, but do not "normally" develop to their full potential. During puberty, when the hormone producing glands are kicking in, hormonal balance between estrogen and testosterone is sometimes a bit off. When this happens, the male nipple may be observed to exude a milky substance. There are a few unlucky males whose mammaries fully develop. I know one young fellow who has had breast-reduction surgery, twice!
Without influence of the y chromosome, all mammals would develop into females.
Quote: Dr. Safarti
"... this refutes the urban myth that human embryos ‘start off female’."
Hardly!
Please Note:
AIG is not a scientific source, and Dr. Sarfati is a chess champion with degrees in Chemistry. He is out of his element here.
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We'd be born naked.

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doctrbill
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Message 18 of 36 (4796)
02-16-2002 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by TrueCreation
02-16-2002 8:38 PM


TC - "Nipples are a sexual stimulant"
db - "Only if you rub them against your chest."
TC --"Exactly, its a sexual stimulant"
Son, Is your vocabularly really that limited, or do you fail to understand the relationship of cause and effect?
TC - "you attain sexual characteristics of both the male and the female at about week 5 ..."
Male characteristics are modified from female ones.
"... As is stated in any Human anatomy and physiology textbook."
Cite any.
db - "Without influence of the y chromosome, all mammals would develop into females."
TC --G-whiz, wouldn't that suck. --I was never aware of the 'urban myth that human embryos 'start off female'', but I know it isn't true.
This is the first time you have considered this question isn't it? Use your reasoning capacity TC. If all mammals would be female, without the influence of the y chromosome, then how can you have male characteristics BEFORE the y chromosome is expressed? You can't.
Remember, AIG is not a scientific source, it is a Religious one, And Dr. Sarfati is out of his element.
I suspect that you, Safarti and AIG are concerned that the facts of the matter run contrary to holy scripture. Yes? If so, answer me this:
According to Genesis chapter one, which human was created first, male or female?
Welcome to the real world, where everything is not as you thought, and nothing is the same as it was in your childhood.
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Bachelor of Arts - Loma Linda University
Major - Biology; Minor - Religion
Anatomy and Physiology - LLU School of Medicine
Embryology - La Sierra University
Biblical languages - Pacific Union College
Bible doctrines - Walla Walla College
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doctrbill
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From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 24 of 36 (4850)
02-17-2002 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by nator
02-17-2002 1:33 PM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Second, I'd like you to realize that TC is ... only 15 years old.

Hi Schraff,
Thanks for the heads up. It explains a lot!
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doctrbill
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Message 25 of 36 (4852)
02-17-2002 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Mister Pamboli
02-17-2002 3:28 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
"If TC is anything like I was at 15 years old - he/she is better qualified to talk about the sex drive than most anyone on the forum!"
Feeling the sex drive is one thing. Dealing with it, learning to live with it, and understanding it well enough to talk about it, are something else.
I studied science to understand why I have the drive; and religion to find a loophole in the law.
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doctrbill
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Message 29 of 36 (4899)
02-18-2002 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by TrueCreation
02-17-2002 10:35 PM


quote:
Originally posted by doctrbill
"According to Genesis chapter one, which human was created first, male or female?"

quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation
"... The Male, the order of creation has nothing to do with embryonic developmental structure."

"male and female created he them" on the sixth day. Gen. 1:27.
They are apparently spoken into existence simultaneously, like everything else is in the first chapter of Genesis.
The second chapter gives a quite different scenario wherein the male is formed as a sculpture and then animated by breathing into his nostrils. The female is made sometime later, after it has become apparent that the male can find no suitable mate among the animals.
The male is formed out of soil, but the female is made via a surgical proceedure: a rib is removed from the male and used to form the body of the female.
Were they both, male and female, spoken into existence on the sixth day?
Or was the male sculpted and then animated, and the female subsequently constructed from a rib of the man?
Chapter two certainly makes it clear that the male was made first.
Chapter one strongly suggests that they appeared simultaneously by the miraculous power of God's spoken command.
This is why I ask the question regarding which came first.
The Bible presents two alternatives, two theories if you will.
Chapter one presents the sexes as having equal status: both of them sharing the mastery of all life in the universe (heaven, earth and sea); both of them living in a world that was "very good."
Chapter two presents the male as the pre-eminent one and the female as a derivation of him: both of them workers on a plantation; both of them failing the test of loyalty; both of them losing their jobs, being placed on probation, and expelled from the plantation to the thorny desert outside its gate.
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Bachelor of Arts - Loma Linda University
Major - Biology; Minor - Religion
Anatomy and Physiology - LLU School of Medicine
Embryology - La Sierra University
Biblical languages - Pacific Union College
Bible doctrines - Walla Walla College

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