Sex and the Sex drive

"Creationists - According to Genesis chapter one, Which was created first, male or female?"
--I dunno, that one's a toughy!------------------

"Why do Males have nipples?"
--Nipples for both male and females in humans are a sexual stimulant, did God not create sex so it would be pleasurable? Also this of AiG:AiG - http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative10-23-2000.asp

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Human embryos are sexually dimorphic at first (i.e. contain characteristics of both sexes), because they all have basically the same genetic information, and this information is expressed as efficiently as possible as the embryo develops. This is design economy. For example, in all human embryos, at first both the mllerian duct system (female) and the wolffian duct system (male) develop, because both sexes have the genetic information for these structures. Incidentally, this refutes the urban myth that human embryos ‘start off female’. The subsequent differences are the result of designed chemical signals that control the expression of the information. E.g., a gene set usually found on the Y chromosome controls the levels of testosterone and dihydroxytestosterone (DHT) secretion. Above a certain level, these hormones suppress the development of the mllerian duct system and promote the wolffian duct system, so the embryo takes on masculine characteristics. Below a certain hormone level, the opposite happens, and the embryo takes on female characteristics.

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"Seriously, early developement of foetus' are anatomically identical, theres no testes, ovaries, penis, or vagina. There are however nipples. These "features" (only a man could call them features) remain as sexual developement continues, with sexual organs then becoming evident. Females haxe two X chromosomes (XX) whilst males are XY. The Y chromosome doesn't do much other than push the development of structures in other directions. If you like, the nipples are female, & are on the Y chromosome, WHICH MALES ALSO POSSESS, but the true sex XX XY differences are not expressed until after the nipples are formed."
--Thanx, I was going to include something on this, but my first question was going to be where is the information condensed(is it located in XY chromosomes) before the human fetus grows or something along that line.------------------

"Only if you rub them against your chest."
--Exactly, its a sexual stimulant, your not going to reach sexual climax by just standing there are you? (atleast for most people)"Nonsense. They do NOT contain SEXUAL characteristics of both sexes. They contain characteristics of the x chromosome. Only when the y chromosome comes into play do they begin to show male characteristics.The embryo is "remodeled" upon influence of the y chromosome. The proto vagina withers to become a ligament. The proto clitoris wraps around the eurethra to become a penis. The proto ovaries are converted to testes."
--Yes, you attain sexual characteristics of both the male and the female at about week 5 when most human characteristics begin taking form. Not untill about the 8th week can gender be detected. As is stated in any Human anatomy and physiology textbook."Consider this: Mammary glands are present in the adult male, but do not "normally" develop to their full potential. During puberty, when the hormone producing glands are kicking in, hormonal balance between estrogen and testosterone is sometimes a bit off. When this happens, the male nipple may be observed to exude a milky substance. There are a few unlucky males whose mammaries fully develop. I know one young fellow who has had breast-reduction surgery, twice!"
--Thats unfortunate, and I am well aware of these implications. It was an interesting topic in Biology. If you were to stimulate the male mammary glands for about a week you would get approx 1 tbsp of 'milk'. I thought that was pretty nuts when I heard that one. "Without influence of the y chromosome, all mammals would develop into females."
--G-whiz, wouldn't that suck."Hardly!"
--I was never aware of the 'urban myth that human embryos 'start off female'', but I know it isn't true, you attain no detectable gender related anatomistic characteristics untill about the 5th week of embryonic development."Please Note:AIG is not a scientific source, and Dr. Sarfati is a chess champion with degrees in Chemistry. He is out of his element here."
--'Hardly!', see above.------------------

"Son, Is your vocabularly really that limited, or do you fail to understand the relationship of cause and effect?"
--Your not arroused by this action? I think there is a defect in understanding here."Male characteristics are modified from female ones."
--Quote - Human Anatomy and Physiology Second Edition - Elaine N. Marieb Page 967.

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The external reproductive organs are undifferentiated until about the eighth week of gestation. During the indifferent stage, all embryos have a conical elevation called the genital tubercle, which has a ventrical opening called the urethral groove. the groove is surrounded by urethral folds, which in turn are bounded by the libioscrotal swellings.

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"Cite any."
--See above."This is the first time you have considered this question isn't it? Use your reasoning capacity TC. If all mammals would be female, without the influence of the y chromosome, then how can you have male characteristics BEFORE the y chromosome is expressed? You can't."
--Exactly, their indifferent, see above. On a genetic level you can postulate gender, but they are anatomically indifferent untill the 5th week."I suspect that you, Safarti and AIG are concerned that the facts of the matter run contrary to holy scripture. Yes? If so, answer me this:According to Genesis chapter one, which human was created first, male or female?"
--Thats a toughy! The Male, the order of creation has nothing to do with embryonic developmental structure."Welcome to the real world, where everything is not as you thought, and nothing is the same as it was in your childhood."
--'Welcomes himself to the real world', hows come its not any different, mabye cause I was in the real world...------------------

"If TC is anything like I was at 15 years old - he/she is better qualified to talk about the sex drive than most anyone on the forum! "
--lol, this is where you make great use of the smileys , I've made my mistakes in the past.------------------

"Thanks for the heads up. It explains a lot!"
--Yes it does doesn't it? Now what would that be to explain now? I think it is evident I am much less ignorant than some in the forum (not to mention names), such is the debate, you will find your duds, and you will find your intelligent conversations.------------------