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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
High mathemathics are like differential equation,set theory, abstract algebra,number theory...just to name a few. this is first year undergrad mathematics. How is this "high mathematics"?
One typical example of the mathemathical absurdness of evolution is that amino acids could get in there proper places in one chance in 10 to the 113(ten followed by 113 zeros).Supporters of evolution acknowledge that Supporters of evolution (known as 'scientists' or 'intelligent, well-informed non-scientists') acknowledge that people who use the above argument are either intellectually ignorant or just stupid. Go watch this video, learn something, then come back and we can discuss the merits of abiogenesis constructively...
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
Excuse me!I Have undergone rigid training in mathemathics.Not just a beginner.Since you are implying that mathemathics supports evolution could you give some?If you want to argue with me mathemathically then argue mathemathically not just asserting.You are implying that you are mathemathically smart,but you dont even give mathemathical proof that supports evolution.And I think you cannot read well the evolutionary tetx book say that evolution implies ramdomness otherwise it is product of intelligence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It's part of the "doctrine of spontaneous generation" referred to. You can't hope to understand what the experiment proved unless you know what the experiment was.
quote: If they do, then they are not using the words in the exact same sense as Pasteur.
quote: Nobody is quoting Pilbeam on this subject. YOU wrongly tried to discuss your arguments in a thread concerning a quote from Pilbeam - even though it had nothing to do with the subject you wanted to discuss.
quote: I know who Meyer is. Quoting him won't do you any good.
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
First year under graduate are you kidding?It seems you are.Abstract algebra is very different in the algebra in your mind.Since you are saying that they are not high math,could you please give high math in your mind.It does not mean since you dont know those computation they dont exist isnt it?Ill challenge you mathemathically.
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
Why you are so clever in manupulating facts?The microbiologist I'll talk about use the same sense as Pasteur it was discuss in there book that Pasteur's experiment settle the idea that surrounds spontaneous genaration.You said quoting Miller would not do me any good,you are right but that is if I am supporter of evolution.Im so tired in replying you guys.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
oh dear, you are wallowing, aren't you? The fact that you are asking for a mathematical support of "evolution" shows you have very little understanding of how mathematics works, and no understanding of evolution. The fact that you are confusing abiogenesis and evolution demonstrates you have no understanding of abiogenesis and evolution. You are not doing very well, are you? Your idiot picture of spontanteous formation of a complex cell is so stupid that I will not waste any time with it. Go watch the video, then get back...
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Blowhard writes: First year under graduate are you kidding?It seems you are.Abstract algebra is very different in the algebra in your mind.Since you are saying that they are not high math,could you please give high math in your mind.It does not mean since you dont know those computation they dont exist isnt it?Ill challenge you mathemathically. You appear to be quite challenged already, but if you think you can gut it out with cavediver in math or physics, I'm sure we will all find it quite humorous. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Does "manipulating facts" mean "telling the truth" ? Because that's all I'm doing.
quote: In that case it has no great significance to the modern study of abiogenesis. Because that in no way contradicts the outcome of Pasteur's experiment.
quote: I said that quoting Meyer would do you no good. And the reason that it will do you no good is that Meyer is mainly a propagandist for ID.
quote: Yes, many creationists have a problem in dealing with well-informed and honest people. Maybe you should try to think about why that is.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
First year under graduate are you kidding? No, I'm not - given that my university employed me to teach this, I know a little about it High math? Not a term I would use, but I guess my favourite areas would be category theory, algebraic topology, and stochastic calculus. Now, asking for mathematical support for evolution is like asking for mathematical support for cosmology - it's an idiot question, revealing your ignorance. You may ask for mathematical support for individual components of the body of work that make up cosmology, such as General Relativity, Jeans Instability, etc, but to ask those questions you would actually have to know something about the subject... Edited by cavediver, : always using too many commas! Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Because you imply evolution is well supported by evidence,could you please go further from that rather than asserting it is well supported?You could demonstrate whether by mathemathical induction or scientific rigor.Mathemathics plays a big role here since we are talking chance events.But none of you guys ever me a mathemethical proof that the complexities and precision observe in life came by change. Try this mathematical treatment: Making Genetic Networks Operate Robustly: Unintelligent Non-design Suffices The real conclusion is God did it. Nonsense. It sounds more like you are preaching than reporting on the conclusions of science. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
I must leave you to the more capable hands of cavediver and PaulK as they are far more knowledgeable and kinder than I am.
If you are still trolling around a week from now, perhaps that means you prefer my viciousness and then I will live up to my reputation. Edited by anglagard, : more better grammer
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
Ok.Since you are challenging me mathemathically could we start now?Prove that 1 is 2?.Proving them is just like proving that evolution is true.You could not give a mathemathiical proof of evolution since there is no such thing.And by the way Iam highly esteem in mathemathics how about you?You imply that there is no such thing as mathemathical proof in evolution of course there is no such thing because mathemathics speak againts it.But the mathemathical proof of respested British astrophycist Fred Hoyle show to me that evolution can be refute mathemathically.
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
The video say it is a product of intelligent design dont you get it?I think you have bad eyes.
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traste Member (Idle past 5170 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
Ill ready try that one and that is mathemathically absurd.Unintelligent cause nonsense..
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Ill ready try that one and that is mathemathically absurd.Unintelligent cause nonsense..
What the on-line lecture I referred you to upthread shows is that genetic systems can come about naturally, no deities needed. Do you have any specific arguments against that, or are you just going to continue preaching? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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