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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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Yea well sorry, Obama used our tax payer's dollars to benefit his own personal gain. If Bush would have tried to bid for Texas to hold the Olympics, it would have been all over the media in a negative way.
Horse poop. Liberal/democrats are hypocrites. Been saying it for years. So are republicans, but that's besides the point.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Quite right, rat. After all, we've never spent any public money before on any previous bid to host the Olympics. And obviously this would have been Obama's gain because he owns so much stock in the USOC, right?
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Obama used our tax payer's dollars to benefit his own personal gain. Personal gain? He had a lot to loose politically in this circumstance.
If Bush would have tried to bid for Texas to hold the Olympics, it would have been all over the media in a negative way. Maybe you missed all the people trashing him for going, saying that he was ignoring Afghanistan to go to Copenhagen. (nobody mentioning the fact that he also used the trip to meet with McChrystal in person)
Liberal/democrats are hypocrites. Maybe your just a little too into judging every minor action of someone who is under the scrutiny of the world every single day. Someone is full of it and I don't think it is Obama. If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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You both missed a valid point, and did not answer the question. How would have media portrayed Bush, if Bush tried to get the Olympics in Texas?
I am 100% certain you guys would not have the same attitude towards Bush doing the exact same thing. He wanted it in Chicago, not because it was good for the country, but because that is where he is from, and wants to be a hero or something to Chicago. As President of the US, he should be spending money for things in OUR best interest, not his. So it's not about the money per-say, but how he used it. Seemed very bias to me. Yes he did loose a lot politically IMO.And no I wasn't trashing him for going, I was trashing for the state and town he picked, I guessed you missed that one. Oh yea, I will always judge the actions of our President, it would be foolish not to. I guess I am a racist now too.....
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jacortina Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 64 Joined:
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You seem to not know that the Chicago bid to get the Olympics is a process which started way back a couple of months after Obama announced his candidacy for President (May, 2007).
'The state and town HE picked'? Odd that I don't see the name 'Daley' in your post and that was the only 'he' that directed this whole process and allotted CITY funds for it. Someone needs to get a clue.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
riverrat writes:
Aside from the things people have pointed out, you're going beyond judging the actions of our president. You're nitpicking every move he makes and look for a reason to not like him. Oh yea, I will always judge the actions of our President, it would be foolish not to. So what if he went to Copenhagen? Other world leaders were there, too. If Chicago got the Olympics, Obama would have gained very little politically. If Chicago lost (which it did), then we would be seeing people like you nitpicking little things like this to not like the man. There was no personal gain for him in either cases. Personally, I've been cursing the Olympics Committee up and down ever since this morning for not choosing Chicago. Especially when private investors have invested almost $100 million just to bit for the Olympics. That's $100 million down the drain for private investors.
I was trashing for the state and town he picked, I guessed you missed that one.
Is this a joke or are you genuinely clueless? Added by edit Cursed are those who voted against Chicago, for they shalt not have this angry American's good will. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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Translated from Republican-speak.
"Obama went to support the U.S. bid to hold the Olympics. Waaaaah! We can't bash him for being unpatriotic !" I seriously believe that a major faction of the Right in the U.S iss based on insane hatred of anyone who is "left wing" - including centrists like Obama. I'm really glad I don't have to live in a country like that, (The Conservatives have a lot of faults but raving lunacy isn't one of them).
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Izanagi Member (Idle past 5247 days) Posts: 263 Joined:
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I'll admit that Obama going to Copenhagen when he said he wouldn't in order to work on health-care might be bad judgment on his part. But I think this is representative of a bigger issue than a one day trip to support a US bid for the 2016 Olympics.
It seems like nowadays there's a lot of hypocrisy coming from the right in the US. During the Bush Administration, protesters were seen as unpatriotic for not supporting the President and his policies. Now, protesters are seen as patriotic for not supporting the President and his policies. During the Bush Administration, giving up freedoms was democratic because it kept Americans safe and stopped those terrorists from attacking. Now, a raise of 3% on the income taxes of those making more than $200000 or Universal Healthcare is socialism and sets us down the road to facism. During the Bush Administration, even though Bush lied about Iraq developing WMDs, it was fine because he was protecting the US and you shouldn't question the decisions the President makes. Now, every little misstep by Obama is overblown to epic proportions and apparently will cause the fall of American civilization as we know it. By the end of the Bush Administration, the national debt increased by $4 trillion from a national debt $5.5 trillion at the start of his Administration. Most of that money was spent killing people in two wars. The right doesn't complain. Obama wants $1 trillion to provide healthcare for American citizens who need and the right is outraged at the audacity of Obama for trying to help people. During the eight years of the Bush Administration, Bush's total time spent clearing brush at his ranch amounted to 2 and a half years of his 8 years in office. Obama just took a day to represent Chicago and America in the hopes of bringing the Olympics to the US. The Democrats are not much better. They have a super-majority in Congress and they can't seem to pass anything. Unfortunately, what is happening is that the Dems are representing both the left and the right and the Repubs are representing a completely different set of individuals. Still, as Bill Maher often says, the Dems need to grow a pair. Riverrat, Obama is trying to do the best for this country, as I believe Bush tried to do during his eight years. Give Obama a little credit and leeway. If the Olympics had gone to Chicago, that would have been a boon for the US economy. The thing is, tourists would not have just visited Chicago, but also other places of interest in the US. Some could have even traveled to NYC and spent their hard-earned money thus boosting the NYC economy. And even better, if those tourists had had a wonderful time in the US, they might have gone back or told their friends boosting the US tourism trade for years to come. The Olympics can be a boon for any hosting city and country, which is why there is fierce competition to host it. Edited by Izanagi, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Personally, I've been cursing the Olympics Committee up and down ever since this morning for not choosing Chicago. Especially when private investors have invested almost $100 million just to bit for the Olympics. That's $100 million down the drain for private investors. I'm fairly sure that other countries invested a fair amount of money into it too.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I am 100% certain you guys would not have the same attitude towards Bush doing the exact same thing. No, such an issue would have been a good mark in his lackluster administration. It would have shown he had some sense of helping the country both in social status & in bringing in needed pushes to the economy. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Mod writes:
I happen to be a cheap bastard. Other countries can throw away their money if they want. My country is now $100 million poorer.
I'm fairly sure that other countries invested a fair amount of money into it too.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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I want to go back to something.
riverrat writes: He wanted it in Chicago, not because it was good for the country, but because that is where he is from, and wants to be a hero or something to Chicago. And no I wasn't trashing him for going, I was trashing for the state and town he picked, I guessed you missed that one.
See, you throw out statements like these from time to time, which is why (and I freely admit, crucify me if you want) I don't have a lot of respect for you, riverrat. You're a fine guy, I'm sure. But from time to time, you let it slip that you don't really know the facts. What scares me is you are very strongly opinionated about these things based on fiction. It's like the people who protested in DC about czars. These people, when asked by reporters, had absolutely no clue what these czars were, but since (according to their logic) Obama appointed these czars they must be bad people. These people were clueless that Bush also had czars. Right now as it stands, you are blinded by hatred of the liberal position so much that you're just actively looking for reasons to hate them, never mind the facts you throw out as your reasons are wrong. Rat, I highly encourage you to be less opinionated about things until you have a better grasp of the facts surrounding the issues. This is hard, I know. People have high opinion of themselves, me included. But try for once to step back and be less angry. You might learn something. But all else fails, at least consider your relationship with your children. Don't end up like my father and I. My father has very strong opinions about a lot of things. My problem with him is he's wrong on virtually all of the facts he believes in. I respect him as my father, but I certainly don't respect his opinions. He would even make up facts on a whim to give the illusion that he knows all. When I was little, I asked my father how those orange lights on those wooden construction blockades light up. My father told me that the "energy" emitted by the cars driving by gave these lights the energy to light up. That stuck with me for a while. When I was in college, it dawned upon me to rethink a lot of what my father told me. One night at about 3 AM or so, I went to my car and drove to a local construction site. I stole one of those things and brought it back to my place. Opened it up and found batteries. Your children will grow up one day. That's all I gotta say about that.
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
Jazzns writes: Maybe you missed all the people trashing him for going, saying that he was ignoring Afghanistan to go to Copenhagen. (nobody mentioning the fact that he also used the trip to meet with McChrystal in person) Yeah but he spent 25 minutes talking to him after letting the Generals request for more troops sit on his desk for the past month. How much could he have possibly have done in those 25 minutes? He has spent more time preparing for this bid to the IOC then he has deciding how we are going to handle a war that we are in desperate need to fiqure out a better srategy in.
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jacortina Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
He has spent more time preparing for this bid to the IOC then he has deciding how we are going to handle a war that we are in desperate need to fiqure out a better srategy in. Show me the numbers. You know, documentation. Your claim, back it up. You wouldn't be spewing stuff you have no actual data on, would you?
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
Jacortina writes:
Your right, I do not have it at my disposal to be able to prove how much time Mr. Obama has spent trying to figure out the best course of action for us in Afganistan. However, from a public relations stand point. It cetainly seems to me that he has devoted more time to making appearences on T.V. campaigning for his proposed reforms and now this bid with the IOC, than he has dealing with a war where casualties on both sides are mounting.
You wouldn't be spewing stuff you have no actual data on, would you?
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