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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Sigh. Speaking from your arse again?
A more accurate description is that it is about the collective of people, operating as a cohesive unit where terms of private property and class statuses don't exist. Of course, it doesn't take long to see the cracks. Its bloody self-destruction is told and retold countless times, making it one of the biggest abject failures in history. Name one communist country. Hint: Cuba, Russia, China are not / have never been communist (decisions are not made collectively, and there are certainly upper classes that "have" versus lower classes that "have not").
Marxism doesn't work because it is inconsistent with human nature Their are hundreds (thousands?) of tribes in Africa STILL living in communist societies. Since pre-history. Massively successful. Tribalism has also sometimes been called "primitive communism".Tribalism - Wikipedia The San Tribeit is estimated that they have been living here for the last 30,000 years. The San population have a relative lack of a leadership institution, they therefore have no chiefs or system of leadership and individual decision making is part of their culture. Bushmen / San Tribe | First People of Africa | Namibia
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
You sidestepped/backpeddled/obfuscated/strawmanned/moved goalposts. In other words, typical Hyro:
Hyro writes: A more accurate description is that it is about the collective of people, operating as a cohesive unit where terms of private property and class statuses don't exist. Of course, it doesn't take long to see the cracks. Its bloody self-destruction is told and retold countless times, making it one of the biggest abject failures in history. You SPECIFICALLY asserted above that communism's self-destruction is told COUNTLESS times. One of the BIGGEST failures. When I asked for just one example, just ONE, you pull the ol' No true Scotsman falacy:
Hyro writes: A true communist society is a fantasy that is inconsistent with reality. Huh? I think this translates to: "I was/am talking out of my arse". (Hyro, I really need to limit my time debating with you. I could be doing something much more rewarding like checking the tension on my clothes-pin springs)
Hyro writes: Are you comparing communal living with the economic/political scope and scale of the USSR or the PRC? Wow, uber strawman! No, I am not comparing communal living wiith the scale of NON-COMMUNIST countries like USSR or PRC. USSR and PRC are NOT communist countries, perhaps you missed my first post. Here it is again:
drone writes: Hint: Cuba, Russia, China are not / have never been communist (decisions are not made collectively, and there are certainly upper classes that "have" versus lower classes that "have not"). Hyro writes: Marxism doesn't work because it is inconsistent with human nature Please pay attention, SPECIFICALLY, I contested AND SHOWED examples that your SPECIFIC assertion "Marxism is inconsistent with human nature" is very, very wrong.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Hyro,
Hyro writes: I realize that the failure of communism is a very sensitive subject for communist and communist sympathizers, but honestly you don't need to be upset with the messenger. Wow, damn funny stuff Hyro. If I was drinking milk, it would surely be snorted outward. U R a funny guy! A regular Billy Crystal. Seriously, I think Oni's concurrent replies are redundant to mine. Please re-read his recent posts, especially #48. But to iterate, there has never been a Marxist communist nation (REAL communism): The USSR and PRC was/is a parliamentary-dictatorship. Never, ever a Marxist communist nation (REAL communism). In message 233, WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment: Oni writes of NON-COMMUNIST Cuba. (sorry I don't know how to link.):
Oni writes: as anyone who has studied cuban history knows, Castro did not want communism as the form of government for Cuba. Currently, Castro serves as First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba. A name that stuck, even though Cuba is far from being a communist state. Hyro writes: The reason they failed is because it couldn't possibly work. If something has NEVER been tried, it cannot be deemed a failure.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Communism is a ruinous and oppressive form of government that invariably leads to corruption, to rampant poverty (the redistribution of poverty, NOT wealth), and self-imploding system. Ahh, yeah. Pity about those tribal societies in Africa. They have been imploding for over 30,000 years.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Do you have any sense of realism? Askth the man who refuses to use the true/REAL definition of communism. Edited by dronester, : clarity
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Communism as it has been practised has been little more than an excuse for dictatorial rule in the false name of the people. Whether or not Marxism could be successfully applied to a large population remains a question that I don't think those with power, wealth and influence will ever let us truly discover. Because it might just work and for them that would be truly catastrophic. Bravissimo.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Hyro writes: I misspoke, Mussolini was certainly not a communist. Dictator, yes, communist, no. Theo writes: Oh so this was a list of dictators not communists. Hyro writes: It was a list of dictators who are communists. With this one sentence, Hyro has fully demonstrated his utter and insurmountable cluelessness.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
I empathize Kitsune, I empathize.
It seems people who don't know the definitions for things like marxism, communism, socialism, etc., argue with the most misdirectioned-passion and are simply not correctable. Re-read Razd's message #77, he's spot on:
Razd writes: Long ago I decided that it was impossible to rationally discuss communism with dogmatic conservatives, because "communism" is a boogy man word to them. Once you say it, they go into apoplectic mode, where reason runs and hides. All you need to do is read the knee jerk posts of ICANT and Faith to see that they have no interest in discussing the issue because it is baaaaad. Essentially you are fighting against an ingrained belief based on a strawman. Alas, I wasn't joking when I replied to Hyro that my time debating him would be better spent re-examining the spring tension of my clothes-pins.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Or maybe Monty Python:
Spectator I: I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers". Mrs. Gregory: Aha, what's so special about the cheesemakers? Gregory: Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
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