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Although we could not locate convincing field evidence for long periods of time, we realized we needed to be cautious. We did not want to be guilty of selecting evidence that supports a young-earth position and overlooking contrary evidence. For this reason, we asked local creationist geologists, very familiar with the geology of the area, to show us any apparent field evidence for ancient soils.

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haha This made me laugh. They don't want to be accused of only looking at YEC *evidence* so they invite Creationists to lead them around. Sure, that makes perfect sense!And then there's this one in the reference section:

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26. Williams et al., An introduction to the geology of Verde Valley: a different perspective, CRSQ 36(2):86, 1999. Welded tuffs can also cool underwater without producing pillow structures.

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Although pillow lavas clearly indicate underwater deposition, it cannot be overemphasized that lavas can be extruded subaqeously without producing pillow structures.26

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I wasn't aware that tuffs EVER produced pillow structures... seeing as they are not exactly lava flows. Am I missing something?I'm thinking their "field geology" consisted of visiting pre-selected roadside outcrops with a few observations from afar thrown in for good measure. Oh yeah, and purposely taking bad pictures.Definitely an embarassment to good scientists - no wonder Woodmorappe uses a pen name, I'd be hesitant to put my real name on that paper, too.

Bill,Thanks! As always, a complete answer.

Oh lord that was an awful exercise. Bizzaro world, indeed - yikes!

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It is totally surreal that people, for which English is their native language, were incapable of conprehending the fact that Barnett and Fisk are discussing freshwater fossils instead of marine fossils.

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Oh, I suspect they knew full well what that paper was saying!