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Thanks for taking on the role of the creationists

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And thank you for dismantling the Woodmorappe/Oard article. Obviously, you have much more patience than I in reading this nonsense.Though I scanned the article very lightly I was attracted to the argument that pillows are probably more abundant than they appear because of the size of the volcanic field and that only the outer periphery would develop pillows. And there was also the fact that you could only see them by looking up at the bottoms of the flows! After reading that, I found myself looking up from the floor alright!I shudder to think what a YEC like True Creation might do with an article like this to regurgitate on these pages as the new gospel of YECism. I really think that no one under the age of 35 should be allowed to read this stuff.[This message has been edited by edge, 09-11-2003]

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The Young Earth creationist article about the Columbia River Group by John Woodmorappe (a pen name of Jan Peczkis) and Michael J. Oard, "Field studies in the Columbia River basalt, north-west USA," is a failed attempt at doing field geology, which involves numerous errors of fact and interpretation.

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Maybe they ran short of adult beverages on their little excursions. I mean, it's not like they had to collect a lot of field data or anything. Thanks for the complete vaporization of this fiasco of an unprofessional paper. THe Woodmorappe/Oard article is an embarrassment to any professional scientist, regardless of field. I'm glad you took the time.

Hmm, no comments by our resident YECs? It would seem that an article like this would be right up True Creation's alley...

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--It would be, though the article requires knowledge of various field data which I don't have time to research right now.

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Hmm, that doesn't seem to have hindered Woodmorappe and Oard. Watch it, you might set a new trend for YECs.

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I'm still working on the thermal evolution of the oceanic upper mantle and lithosphere and its implications for a young ocean floor and runaway subduction.

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Hmm, most of us started our geological education by doing things like Physical Geology 101 before we wrote professional papers...

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Conclusions are yet indefinite though the paper is coming along wonderfully (albeit, tediously). I think I am coming to appreciate what it takes to compose a good piece of scientific literature.

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I hope you will consider communicating that to Woodmorappe and Oard...

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BB: However, they were freshwater diatoms, and dinoflagellates. In addition to these fossils, Barnett and Fisk found freshwater aquatic plants and freshwater alga, Pediastrum, which Woodmorappe and Oard apparently didn't see fit to inform their readers about. In short, Barnett and Fisk found freshwater alga, aquatic plants, diatoms, and dinoflagellates, which in terms of specific genera and species present, instead of supporting Woodmorappe's and Oard's ideas about the Columbia River Basalt group accumulating under deep, marine water, refuted them. It is rather surreal that a study, which contradicted their hypothesis, should be cited as if it supported it.

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And, of course, we KNOW that fresh water lakes and streams aren't found on plateau basalts, don't we?