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Author Topic:   How to Americanize Soccer?
Blue Jay
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Message 22 of 53 (567267)
06-30-2010 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
06-23-2010 5:32 PM


Hi, Taq.
Taq writes:
1. Change offsides to an offside line like it is in ice hockey. No offensive player can enter the offensive zone until the ball has crossed the line. After that, offensive players can be anywhere within the offensive zone regardless of where the ball or defensive players are.
I think offsides works just fine the way they have it. I think they could just stop calling it once the ball is inside the big goal box: that's when all the controversial calls happen, and I think it would improve the chances to see more scoring.
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Taq writes:
2. Stealing from hockey once again, if someone is actively playing the ball you can hit them with your body. No elbows or blows with the feet, but a good body check is legal.
This would just make soccer stupid.
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Taq writes:
Unlimited substitutions during a stoppage in play.
Why restrict it to stoppages? Why not just have substitutions on the fly?
Edited by Bluejay, : No reason given.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Blue Jay
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Message 30 of 53 (567461)
07-01-2010 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by caffeine
07-01-2010 3:44 AM


Hi, Caffeine.
caffeine writes:
Bluejay writes:
I think offsides works just fine the way they have it. I think they could just stop calling it once the ball is inside the big goal box: that's when all the controversial calls happen, and I think it would improve the chances to see more scoring.
This still leaves the game open to goal-hanging, though, which is the very thing the offside rule is supposed to prevent.
I said, "...once the ball comes inside the goal box."
Perhaps I should amend it and say, "...while the ball is in the goal box." I was referring to the penalty area, but the term escaped me at the moment I was writing the post.
So, players wouldn't be able to "goal-hang" until the ball is already very near the goal. And, I don't see why "goal-hanging" should be disallowed at that point. The ball spends so little time inside the penalty area anyway, so it's really a rather small exception to the rule.
The point of the thread is to Americanize soccer: the #1 complaint Americans have with soccer is that there isn't enough scoring. I think this would increase the scoring while only negligibly compromising the tactical midfield play that makes the game interesting.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Blue Jay
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Message 32 of 53 (567487)
07-01-2010 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
07-01-2010 10:10 AM


Hi, Jumped Up Chimpanzee.
JUC writes:
The problem with that is it complicates the rules. As it stands, offside is dictated by where the players are when the ball is kicked forward.
If you have another rule that in certain circumstances it depends on where the ball is, rather than where the players are, you then have 2 different types of offside, and more complicated rules.
This isn't really what I meant.
While playing the ball into the penalty area, the usual offside rule would apply. But, once the ball is inside the penalty area, offsides will not be called on additional passes or deflections.
It seems that the line judges make a lot of mistakes calling offsides when everyone's congested inside the penalty area. It also seems that this would make it easier to turn a trip into the penalty area into a goal, which would increase the scoring as per Americans' wishes.
And, yeah, it makes the rules a little more complicated, but we are talking about Americanizing the sport, and this doesn't even approach the complexity of most American sports' rulebooks.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Blue Jay
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Message 40 of 53 (567713)
07-02-2010 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by caffeine
07-02-2010 6:09 AM


Two-Pointers!
Hi, Caffeine.
caffeine writes:
It encourages a place man to essentially go and sit in the area waiting. All the rest of the team have to manage then is to get the ball to the edge of the area and knock it through to him.
I guess I forgot that you don't get called offsides if you don't touch the ball. So, maybe it would need another extra rule then, making offsides more complicated than it already is.
Maybe the hockey-style offsides isn't such a bad idea, after all.
But, by the time the offense gets the ball into the area, the defense should be there already, though, so my idea seems like it would only make a major difference on breakaway counterattacks. Other than that, it should only give a slim advantage to the offense.
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caffeine writes:
Still, if the intent is to Americanise, I suppose a sport where the ball just bounces in and out of each goal with grinding monotony would be appropiate.
Or, they could give two points for long-distance goals.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Message 44 of 53 (576318)
08-23-2010 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Tram law
08-23-2010 2:47 PM


Hi, Tram.
It takes real guts to be that lame on a public forum.
Kudos.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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