ID question for creationists

What planet do you live on? Because here on planet Earth, where I live, it's obvious to the most casual observer that, largely, women beguile, and men are beguiled. (I would think that one might have noticed that after being around humans for 50+ years, but I guess not.)I mean, it's scientific fact that women are significantly more proficient at recognizing facial emotional states by sight. I imagine that extends towards all body language, and would render women considerably better-equipped to suss out subterfuge. Could you explain the deception involved? From my reading of the bible, it's obvious that the serpent is telling the truth. Eve and Adam become like Gods - God even says so - and they don't die (that day, anyway, like God said they would), but rather are made to know good and evil.Anyway, the amount that I suspect Paul didn't know about women would probably fill another two bibles. At least.

How many times have I heard it? Zero. Not only do I not know any women that have fallen for that, I don't know any that would.Maybe I just live in a funny corner of the world, or something, but in my experience, women are aware, and men are oblivious. I swear this is almost universal among people I'm close enough to know.Maybe you're right, and there's no reason to suggest that either sex is more easily beguiled - but if we were to suggest it, it seems ludicrous to me to suggest that it's the women that are more easily fooled. That's 180 degrees from my experience, I guess.

Yes, I'm familiar with it. The thing was I thought it was a stupid song because I couldn't imagine a single woman I knew falling for a lie as stupid as "it wasn't me."As for talk shows, I don't see that it's largely the women who get fooled. Half the time they're fooling the man (sleeping with a midget, etc). I could of course counter with the vast number of books and movies about female beguilers. No, we really don't. After all I've never tried to pass my own experiences off as indicative of any kind of universal. I just felt it noteworthy that Buz lives in a place where one can toss off "women are more easily beguiled" without flinching. The truth, most likely, is that both sexes probably have an equal track record at being decieved, and as you say, a studied manipulator will be able to beguile you no matter your sex. Indeed. Well, now we're way off topic. (Damn you to hell, Rrhain - you got that stupid song stuck in my head! )[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-23-2003]

Because men are stupid. Talk shows are usually fake, dude. Like professional wrestling. Did you not know this?Anyway, I'd point out my claim was "I don't know anybody so gullible". You haven't pointed out anyone that I know, so you've hardly rebutted my claim, no? This is much akin to using the word "sodomite" to prove that the men of Sodom were all gay. Talk shows are indicative only of our perceptions of society, not society itself. I agree that some people hold the perception that women are universally more gullible. That they hold the perception is no indication that they are, in fact, more gullible.I'd have to see some stats. That would remove all doubt, don't you think?

I would have hoped that my repeated use of "in my experience", etc. would have made clear that I expected my statements to be taken in the context of my own experience. I guess, however, that I was mistaken. Perhaps you could point to the specific phrase where I implied that because it was true in my experience, it must be true for everybody. Well, it was just speculation. I didn't realize you were directly trying to counter that speculation. In that, I think you are correct. A greater ability or potential to detect subterfuge does not mean a greater ability to reject subterfuge. I guess we are in agreement? Now that we know that we agree, there isn't one, I guess. Yeah, about that - my parents never let me watch the Smurfs because they felt that it didn't promote wholesome values - all those guys, one girl, some kids out of wedlock, and an obvious homosexual. So, since I don't know the smurfs theme, no, it wouldn't help to suggest it.

I guess I don't recall saying that it was. What is out of left field - and I know you're not saying this, ok? - is the idea that all women are more easily fooled.We agree that this is a stupid idea. What more is there to talk about? I have none. Never said I did.