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Message 69 of 274 (586059)
10-10-2010 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by jar
10-10-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Attractive Rabbit Hole warning
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Buz assertion is refuted. The MARK being a Monetary system is refuted.
Then tell me what the mark in Revelation 13:16 is then.
You can't refute an unknown.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 78 of 274 (586115)
10-11-2010 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by jar
10-10-2010 10:32 PM


Re: More on the likely reality of Revelation
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Only if you accept the late date or that the prophecies were not for the immediate period. Even if the later date is accepted everything in Revelation is still almost 2000 years in the past.
Why wouldn't I accept the late date?
The evidence requires the late date.
jar writes:
In case you missed it...
I did not miss it.
What is soon or the time being near for you is one thing because you are a human limited by time.
Soon and near to an eternal being can be thousands of years.
What is the arguement long day people use oh "a thousand years is the same as a day with the Lord".
jar writes:
Remember an even more likely explanation is that Revelation is just all failed prophecy.
Why is it more likely?
If you care to start another thread and put forth all the failed prophecies you believe exist in Revelation we could discuss those and those fulfilled and those yet to be fulfilled.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 79 of 274 (586117)
10-11-2010 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Nij
10-11-2010 1:40 AM


Re: Mark
Hi Nij,
Nij writes:
Seems I keep arriving too late or too early.
Jar's already pointed it out; the mark is the "name or number" of the Beast.
jar has asserted the mark is the name or number of the beast.
Firstly name and number can not be the same thing. A number is not a name, it is a number.
There is no place in the Greek text that gives a definition of the mark nor is there any place in chapter 13 that links it to the name or the number of the Beast.
So when you state what the mark is you are simply asserting what you think it is or repeating what someone elese has said they think it is.
If you disagree and believe the Greek text does give a definition of what the mark is, please present your evidence. I presented mine to jar in an earlier post.
Nij writes:
The mark is used to grant permission. Hence it is a permission or licensing system.
How can you determine what the mark is used for?
It is in the hand or forehead not on the hand or the forehead.
So how do you know what it is?
The only way the mark can be in the hand or forehead is if it is an implant of some kind.
I would assume it is something of the order of the radio chip that was added to all credit cards that have been issued since 2000. If you have one on your person and walk close to a receiver it reads all your information instantly if the card is not shielded.
Now this is just a wild guess on my part.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 82 of 274 (586124)
10-11-2010 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by PaulK
10-11-2010 10:26 AM


Re: Mark
Hi Paul,
PaulK writes:
I guess that you missed verse 17.
No I didn't miss verse 17.
Verse 17 does not give a definition of the mark of verse 16. It simply add two other things that can be added to the mark.
ἤ is a disjunctive conjunction and when placed between mark and name means either one or the other. When between name and number means either one or the other.
The problem is that the mark must be in the hand or in the forehead.
How would you put the mark, name or number in the hand or in the forehead?
You could put them on the hand or forehead.
You could put them on the surface of the palm of the hand and it would be considered by most as in the hand as long as it was closed.
The only way you could put any of them in the forehead would be by way of an implant. So I assume the hand would require the same application to satisfy the text.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 89 of 274 (589806)
11-04-2010 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Modulous
10-11-2010 10:48 AM


Re: Mark
Hi Mod,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, Had some problems and things that had to be attended too.
Modulous writes:
Like a tattoo, perhaps.
Very possible.
But isn't a tatoo in the skin and appears on the skin?
Modulous writes:
That is to say where does it imply the Mark is endodermal rather than epidermal? The copy I have access to uses 'epi'.
Are you inplying that 'epi' is only translated as on?
Are you implying that 'en' is only translated as in?
Both are translated as on and in. The translation is determined by the construction of the sentence in which they appear.
Since this is not the place for a Greek class I will belabor the point no further.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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