Nope. In fact it says that everyone gets the "Mark", not that everyone but Christians get the "Mark'.
If everybody has the mark why is the penalty for not having the mark not being able to buy or sell?
jar writes:
As mentioned above, the mark is the same for every person. It does not identify the individual or any account or currency, it just identifies "The Second Beast". There is no way it can be used to effect some transaction.
Lets see what the text says.
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
This verse say no man can buy or sell unless:
He has the mark,
OR
The name of the beast,
OR
The number of his name.
Those are 3 different things.
We are not told what the mark or the name is.
We are told what the number is.
jar writes:
no mention of a global monetary system
I don't know if there will be a global monetary system but I do know that everybody in the world will receive the mark, name, or number of the beast or they won't be able to buy or sell.
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
We are also told that every person that does not worship the image of the beast will be killed.
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
jar writes:
So is there any support for the claim that Revelations 13 contains ANY prophecy related to some future monetary system?
It seems that there is a system that to buy or sell you have to have a mark, name, or number in your hand or your forehead.
I am not sure but I think that would qualify as a monetary system.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
So kinda like a retailer permit or wholesaler license?
I'm sure it won't take the place of those.
If you try to sell anything you will be required to produce the mark, the name or the number in your hand or forehead or you can't sell it.
If you try to buy anything the same rule will apply.
As I understand it the penalty for trying to buy or sell without the mark, name, or number is death. I will assume that anyone who would buy or sell anything to anyone who does not have the mark, name or number will suffer the same fate.
So I don't think it will be like a retailer permit or wholesaler license.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
General sidenote: and a frickin' weird permission at that since anybody without the mark is dead anyway -- as was quoted, anybody not worshipping the Beast is killed off.
There will be many people who have heard the prophecy of this event taking place and when the world ruler who has deceived the nations stands in the Temple doorway to the Holy of Holies of the rebuilt Temple and declares himself to be god they will know what is coming. So they won't go easy. It will take 2 to 3 years before he kills them all. So their lives won't be easy.
So it is not permission to buy and sell it is your authority to buy and sell. Without the mark, name, or number in your hand or forehead you can't do either.
You could have tons of gold, piles of paper bills you still could not buy or sell anything.
I still think it is a monetary system.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
But Jesus said that his ressurection would signify the new Temple when he said that if it would be destroyed then it would be rebuilt in 3 days.So thats the New Testament view of the Temple.
Now since this is totaly off topic in this thread maybe you would like to start one and discuss it.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
It isn't a monetary system, it is a transaction regulation system. A monetary system is what represents wealth. In the US the monetary system is dollars.
You do mean worthless dollars don't you?
I thought a monetary system was whatever mechanism the government set up to carry on the business of transfer of goods and services.
Maybe I am mistaken.
I don't think the US or the UK will be setting up the rules of the government mentioned in chapter 13 of the book of Revelation.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
You do not trade the mark, thus the mark is not currency, and so it is not part any monetary system. You require the mark to buy and sell; but you do not buy and sell using the marks to pay.
Since that assertion I am going to assume you know what the mark and the name is, so could you tell me where in the text I can find out what they are?
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Well I was comparing them to the 1425 dollars I paid for my first pickup truck that a comparable truck today costs 30,000 of them.
Modulous writes:
quote:An economic system is the structure of production, allocation of economic inputs, distribution of economic outputs, and consumption of goods and services in an economy.
Which of these cover,
A mark in your hand or forehead? What is this mark?
A name in your hand or forehead? What is this name?
Or a number in your hand or forehead? This is the number 666.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Too funny and yet another example of you trying to misdirect the audience attention while you palm the pea. Did you ever read the Bible or even the OP?
Sure I read the Bible and before I started posting in this thread I checked the Greek text and it does not have "which is " in it. It has the Greek word ἤ which means either, or. You shouldn't always trust the NIV perversion.
So the mark is one thing.
The name is another.
The number is 666.
jar writes:
It is NOT a monetary system.
Call it anything you want to call it. You won't be able to buy or sell anything without it. In fact you will probably be shot when you can not produce one of the three in your hand or forehead.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
The fact that these things are required to trade would at least come under
quote:...distribution of economic outputs, and consumption of goods and services
One of the three is required to live must less buy or sell.
Now let me muse a little.
I go to the friendly grocery store and gather some groceries in the cart and go to the register. The lady tallies my total and I writer her a check. She asks me for my identification with a picture on it I produce my drivers license and she processes the check.
The check is a form of currency in the US.
But if I don't produce identification with a picture on it she don't process the check and I don't get the goods.
My producing identification is a part of the monetary process.
The mark, name, or number is identifiation which makes it a part of the transaction.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Claudius was followed by Nero who is likely the Emperor in power at the time Revelation is written. Nero is the Emperor in power at the beginning of the first Jewish War, the Great Revolt.
The book of Revelation was written in 95 AD. Source
Scholars are not united on this date.
The scholars are not really united on this matter, and in the course of certain theological views the late date is preferred today by the majority. The interpretations based on the acceptance of the late date as correct usually place the events recorded in the book of Revelation in the still future and thus they consider the prophecies in Revelation as unfulfilled. Rather important for the acceptance of the late date (approx. 96 AD) is a quote from a writing of the church father Irenaeus where he mentions John in the context of the persecutions of Christians by Caesar Domitian. Based on this source, the writing of Revelation is then placed in the time of Domitian because of the mention that John was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God.
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