Prayer, faith and healing

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god should have done something to stop the process.

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lemme spell it out for you.....F R E E W I L L

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And as I stated previously the bishop got this idea out of the bible.

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Charles Mansion got his idea to kill from a beatles song.
THAT MUST MEAN THE BEATLES ARE TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!

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why cant you accpet someones freewill not to believe in a religion without going to hell?

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You are asking me like I created hell. God gave us free will to believe whatever we wanted but if we do not accept the truth we go to hell. Everyone will recieve a chance to hear about God, if you refuse to accept it you end in hell. God gave us a chance at salvation..... JESUS. You have free will to except or deny this but it all comes down to the truth. You will be judged not by me but by God in the end. If you want to deny it you can! God gives us that right but he is not contradicting himself because he has warned us of these things!
If you do not believe then you are refusing to believe. If you take no heed to the warning you shall perish in hell. So what I am trying to say is that yes God did give us a free will to either doom ourselves or to "save" ourselves. It is still free will either way you look at it. I am sorry if I am coming off in a wrong way towards anyone. Judgemental,ignorant, whatever..... So be it. These are my beliefs (set down by God!) that I use my free will to believe in. As for which religion is the right one, this is the set of beliefs God has given us. Take it or leave it. The other religions are man made. Christianity is God made. It does not even have to fall under the category of religion necessarilly, it is THE belief.
Take it or leave it.
-chris

plz respond to my post, post 49 at DC's new topic:
"Which religion is the "right" one?"[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 09-30-2003]

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Everone gets a chance to hear the message of Christ? Last I checked, there weren't too many people stating the message of Christ deep in the African Congo until a few hundred years ago. There have been tribes in remote parts in the world which haven't been discovered until this century. The New World wasn't discovered by the Western World, apart from Lief the Lucky's brief expedition to Vinland, until Columbus. Most places in the world never even see a missionary.

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When you are brought into this earth you see the world around you and you know there muist have been a creator. I forget which verse, but it says ALL will see the glory of God. I firmly believe that.

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Many people die young.

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The people who die young, I believe are graced by God for they did not have a chance to live such as babies.

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Some people have learning difficulties. Some have extreme learning difficulties. Some to the point where they can hardly comprehend a thing.

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Can you give examples of people with such learning disabilities they can't comprehend a thing, or is this just another baseless assertion?

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Just a comment; if someone wants to discuss this let's move it.

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That's fine with me.

I'm sick of reading your negative GARBAGE. I don't care what you think. First off watch the history channel program. They show INTELLIGENT views of archeologists, scholars, EVERYTHING. Maybe I'm wrong because it's on cable.

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So what?

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You ask me for evidence I provide then you COMPLAIN? What is that?????????????????????????????????

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I did find a great many Christian apologetics sites which mentioned it, however.

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What do you have against CHRISTIANS?

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Can you produce any mainstream Archeological reviews of this book, and can you please provide some references to some peer-reviewed papers which support these assertions?

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Why don't you read the book for yourself???????? Go to a LIBRARY.

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Everone IS biased.

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It's fun restating what I said huh?I NEVER SAID SCIENCE IS BIASEDWhen I have time I might go into depth on this.[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-01-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-01-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-01-2003]

I apologize for my post there. I was really angry. My post was edited 3? times just so I could delete things I said. Ok, when I called your post negative garbage I was referring to the times you nullified links because they were "christian".

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the truth is, all you have to say is "I know there's no real support for a lot of the stuff in the Bible, but I believe it anyway."

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But there is, all of what I've provided and more. I will know of more when I learn more, I couldn't provide like a more knowledgable christian could but I can and I have.

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You said that archeological evidence for things that happened in the Bible, places, people, etc., exists, amd that's a reason you believe in the Bible.

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I pointed out that lots of Archaelogical evidence for many other people, places and events exists for many opther religions also.

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When I said "So what", I meant to point out that it is not particularly impressive that the Bible had this supporting evidence because lots of other religions have evidence, too.

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You asked for historical evidence:

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Sorry, there is not much that is accurate about the Bible with regards to prophecy or history. { <------Right scholar.

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I gave you historical evidence, then you say "So what?"

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lots of other religions have evidence, too.

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And your evidence is.......?

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which I took to mean that you thought that Christian and Scientific 'evidence' was equally biased.

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So christians can't have scientific evidence?

Mike?

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1)Belief is irrelevant to reasoned and supported argument. Everyday, innumerable people go about believing things that aren't true.

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Yes....

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2)Archaeological finds referencing historical people and places prove the bible? Legend has it that Rome was founded by the brothers Romulus and Remus. Thus, by your own logic, since Rome is historical, not only were Romulus and Remus actual persons, but also, all the legends concerning them are gospel truth.

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I was asked to prove the bible historically, see above on my last post on what Schraf said. This is not MY logic. I am simply answering what I am asked.

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3)Beyond the placebo-like effect provided by any positive personal philosophy, faith-healing has no demonstrable veracity. There is, however, ample attestation that it involves single-point anomalies and even (at its worst) charlatanism.

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4)To be asked for textual or historical evidence in favor of your chosen religious perspective is also justified.

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The only alternative, (in lieu of this evidence), is that the Spirit is guiding you. This brings the discussion, circularly, back to point #1, since it can be shown that numerous people making identical claims to Spiritual guidance have as many conflicting viewpoints. Ergo, somebody's mistaken.

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Thus, along with the others on this board, I would still like to see a discussion of these points.

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Namaste'

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Amlodhi

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Ok... But I am answering what I am being questioned on...

np, I got confused for a second lol.