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John
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Message 9 of 88 (57981)
09-26-2003 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by DC85
09-25-2003 11:42 PM


It does give us a good way to determine who is 'really' a christian and who is not. The sick and injured aren't 'really' Christian.
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John
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Message 53 of 88 (58935)
10-01-2003 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Zhimbo
10-01-2003 12:46 AM


I used to hear something similar-- that you won't go to hell unless you've heard of Jesus and rejected him. What puzzled me was that if you haven't heard of Jesus then either you go to heaven ( ie. not-hell ) or you simply vanish having never had a chance at eternal life in paradise. This is in the first case unfair to those Christians who trouble themselves with the faith during this life and in the second case is unfair to those who simply never had a chance.
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Message 56 of 88 (58940)
10-01-2003 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Trump won
10-01-2003 9:42 AM


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When you are brought into this earth you see the world around you and you know there muist have been a creator. I forget which verse, but it says ALL will see the glory of God. I firmly believe that.
It is a big jump from 'wow! maybe there is a creator' to the Christian concept of that creator. Simply figuring there must be a god of some kind doesn't count. You have to believe in Jesus, not just some vague god.
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The people who die young, I believe are graced by God for they did not have a chance to live such as babies.
Why do you believe that? We are all born in sin, yes? There are no innocents, only the saved.
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Can you give examples of people with such learning disabilities they can't comprehend a thing, or is this just another baseless assertion?
I realize you are 14, but are you truly sheltered enough that you don't realize how badly brains can go wrong? Google: profound mental handicap
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John
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Message 78 of 88 (60261)
10-09-2003 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Pringlesguy7
10-09-2003 2:56 AM


Re: fact
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Fact, only around 10% of ancient Christian historical sites are actually excavated!!
Source, please. How are we getting this figure anyway? 10% of sites mentioned in the NT? 10% of sites found? If the latter, you can't know if the site is an ancient Christian historical site until it is excavated.
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you know why? no one has the money!
It is a rare archeaologist, whatever the subject, who doesn't have this problem.
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They have found the walls of Jericho...
Jericho was inhabited for a loooong time-- starting about 10kya. There are ruins of several settlements, none of them matching the biblical accounts.
Repeated excavations by various expeditions at Jericho and Ai, the two cities whose conquest is described in the greatest detail in the Book of Joshua, have proved very disappointing. Despite the excavators' efforts, it emerged that in the late part of the 13th century BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age, which is the agreed period for the conquest, there were no cities in either tell, and of course no walls that could have been toppled.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/jerques.htm
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some of Solomon's castles and other fortified strucers
Hmmm....
The three cities of Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer, which are mentioned among Solomon's construction enterprises, have been excavated extensively at the appropriate layers. Only about half of Hazor's upper city was fortified, covering an area of only 30 dunams (7.5 acres), out of a total area of 700 dunams which was settled in the Bronze Age. At Gezer there was apparently only a citadel surrounded by a casemate wall covering a small area, while Megiddo was not fortified with a wall. The picture becomes even more complicated in the light of the excavations conducted in Jerusalem, the capital of the united monarchy. Large sections of the city have been excavated over the past 150 years. The digs have turned up impressive remnants of the cities from the Middle Bronze Age and from Iron Age II ( the period of the Kingdom of Judea). No remains of buildings have been found from the period of the united monarchy (even according to the agreed chronology), only a few pottery shards.
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pottery, tablets from egyptians referring to events from the exodus and other biblical events.
The Exodus from Egypt, the wanderings in the desert and Mount Sinai: The many Egyptian documents that we have make no mention of the Israelites' presence in Egypt and are also silent about the events of the Exodus. Many documents do mention the custom of nomadic shepherds to enter Egypt during periods of drought and hunger and to camp at the edges of the Nile Delta. However, this was not a solitary phenomenon: such events occurred frequently over thousands of years and were hardly exceptional. Generations of researchers tried to locate Mount Sinai and the encampments of the tribes in the desert. Despite these intensive efforts, not even one site has been found that can match the biblical account.
-- same source as the previous quote
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Also, if you look up other ancient civilizations, and some stuff they believe, most will have a flood story, and a creation story....hmmm...where other book have I read that has a creation story, and a flood story.The Bible.
This is really pretty meaningless. Cultures existing side by side frequently have similar myths.
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( also look up Gilgamesh, and the Enuma elish, or the Epic of Atrahasis)
Yes, and all of these tales predate the Genesis story. Who do you think borrowed from whom? Certainly the writers of the Epic of Gilgamesh didn't borrow from a book that was not to be written for more than a thousand years?
I'm sorry, but archaeology is the Bible's worst friend.
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