Prayer, faith and healing

How do you come to the conclusion they aren't healed?

Have you thought that maybe- just for a second realize God has healed them spiritually? When I pray for God to help heal or help this person, I know my prayer will be answered in some way or another. My grandfather died and I asked God before he died to let him live, he did later die. Is this a sign that God isn't there or prayer doesn't work? No. My grandfather was saved and a saved person is not afraid of death for he or she knows they are saved by the blood of Christ.[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 09-27-2003]

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Not to mention it would also be a great witnessing tool; if I were convinced that once I believed, I would never catch a cold, have to wear contacts again, suffer from a broken bone, then I would convert this second!

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Luke 16:31
31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Why are you posing this question here? Go back to your forum.

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sorry I went off topic.... but then again did I? Doesn't a believer in another religion also Believe in healing? It just bothers me that they can say "you need to believe in Jesus to be saved" yet they won't tell us why there religion is the right one

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Oh really? Well judging that the Bible is the most accurate collection of books ever (siloam tunnel, kings, dates, times) and countless people come here and preach about christianity being the "right one" and WHY it is,you probably can't read or your trying to nullify christianity. And yes you are off topic and i shouldn't have even responded.

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this is a chain off of one of my fourms.... anyway if I post a new topic for it can you answer it without "I just have faith" that just brings things around in circles and makes 0 sense. as you are saying I believe because I Believe.

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I'll certainly try.

What exactly are you saying?????

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Does this "healing" include the recent story about that autistic african - american boy who was smothered by a minister and this family members?

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Does your post include any sign of intelligence?

Hmmmmmmmmm..................................................................................................................................FREE WILL........So now you think it was God's fault that a person was murdered?

Because the parents were ill-informed by thinking the boy was possessed and killed the boy it's God's fault? Man I think you've been spending a little too much time at exchristian.net

Hey can someone back me up that that is a strawman? Or do I have it wrong?

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How can a "respected" man of faith even be a part of an event like this.

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How would I know? What you think I think Bishops are infallible or are more then men? All men commit sin.

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I think my example is a counter example of this statement, unless you classify "help" as killing. The boys family and bishop also thought the same as you.

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"We were praying that hard"

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That of course would be true if I started physically choking my grandfather.

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Its really easy to say "all men sin". What was the little boys sin? Having peoples faith in something cloud their judgements?
This "sin" had god written all over it."

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Now you are blaming God for clouding peoples judgement? Where in the bible does it say "choke" any person who is "sick" or better yet by your standards, someone that is "possessed". It just doesn't add up.It's also really easy to say It's Gods fault.

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I never said choke

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You didn't have too. The article does for you.

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but apparently the bible did have some influence on their actions.

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True.

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god didn't answer within the first couple of minutes of the "healing" while with the boy, so they continued.

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Maybe God didn't "answer" because maybe the boy wasn't possessed?

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Ask any non-fundamentalist Bible scholar.

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Why don't you? Most NON-FUNDAMENTALIST scholars agree with my statement. Check out coryps siloam dates forum.

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Sorry, there is not much that is accurate about the Bible with regards to prophecy or history.

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History Channel: Minimalists vs. Bible defenders(again)Siloam tunnel dates: Netscape ISP HomepageThe book of IsaiahArcheological digs finding evidences of the bible. Such as Kings, dates, great destructions that happened there.Dead sea scrolls:

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Some of the oldest texts of the Bible were found in 1947 near the Dead Sea in Palestine. Hence, they were called the Dead Sea Scrolls. Further scrolls were recovered from five principal sites in the area up to the 1960s. The scrolls were written by a Jewish sect called the Essenes that flourished in Qumran from the mid-second century BC to AD 68. The majority of the scrolls were written during the first centuries BC and AD. Determining the age of the scrolls was simplified by the discovery of a number of coins and other dated artifacts hidden within the scrolls.

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The scrolls contained passages from every book of the Old Testament except Esther. In some cases there were only small passages but in others large tracts were written. For example, in the Psalms scrolls, Psalms 100 to 150 are complete.

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A comparison of the various sections from the Dead Sea Scrolls with the Bible shows complete agreement. Compare these sections from Hosea chapter two just as an example. Many such comparisons can be made with similar accuracy. rci.org

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Jericho: "Digging Up Jericho" by Kathleen KenyonA place where King David attacked and conquered was recently discovered at a dig in Israel, findings of burnt pottery, signs of extreme fire.

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but is not so arrogant as to attempt to convert as many people as possible?

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So telling people about what you believe is arrogance?King David: http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn14/archaeol.htmlKing Solomon's temples foundation is still there

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There is a lot of archeology evidence they have found in the last 100 years. The city of Jerico has been execavated. The Chaldean city of Ur that Abraham was from was occupied up to about 2500 years ago. So the remains of that is still there. The Chaldeans as a people are still alive today, even there are 100,000 of them in the USA. Today they are mostly Catholic.

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The remains of Babylon of course is still there. It has never been rebuilt, even though they have tried to rebuild it over the years. There are still patches of the Cedar Forests of Lebanon where Solomon got the wood to build the temple and his palace. The Cedar forest we are told is second in beauty only to Eden itself.

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In fact a lot of the things in the Bible you can still find. The Garden that Jesus use to love to go to and pray is still there. The burning bush of moses is said to still be alive and is being protected in the center of a monastery. They say there is a place in the desert where the quail are tired from their long flight and drop exhausted out of the sky. Just as the Bible talks about. The area Moses went to pray is a popular place for people who are healthy enough to climb the mountain to visit it.

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-from JohnR7 at christianforumsOK now before you say that you wanted all unbiased sources, for I did give you many, think about this, EVERYONE IS BIASED. Unbiased information is SCARCE. Before you dismiss christian links at least see what they have to say.[This message has been edited by messenjaH supreme ruler of EvCforum, 09-30-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH supreme ruler of EvCforum, 09-30-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH, 09-30-2003]