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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
emotions in brain are valuable knowledge staff, and it affects genome. How? What is the mechanism that allows neurons to specifically mutate DNA? What chemical and physical processes do the neurons have that can conceivably produce these changes?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
epigenetis give some of the answers you ask for. No it doesn't. How do nerves cause changes in histone packaging and DNA methylation in gametes? What physical or chemical processes do neurons possess that would allow them to make these changes?
only a superscientist could answer all such questions. It only takes a BS meter to tell us that you are making stuff up. It takes a sloppy scientist to push ideas that have no merit and no evidence.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
The problem is not if the system 'directs' mutation in a weak or strong sense, but if it does exist or not. You can deny it. But then you should bring evidence against it. If it exists, we can next discuss how strong or weak its effect might be. Let's use the lottery as a non-biological example. Let's say that those facing economic hardship are more likely to buy lottery tickets. By doing so, they increase their chance of becoming rich and solving their economic woes. Does this make the results of the lottery "directed"? Does this make the lottery non-random?
If you accept it then you have to explain why a useful mechanism in protozoa has to be excluded( enriched of course) in metazoa. Because mutations that are beneficial in somatic cells are not transferred to germ cells, those that are used produce the next generation. For example, there is a "directed" mutation system in B-cells that are responsible for producing antibodies. In this system the genes responsible for producing antibodies experience higher rates of random mutations. These mutated antibodies are then displayed on the surface of the cell. When an antigen binds to the antibody the cell is stimulated to replicate and produce more antibody. This process is repeated in each generation of B-cell resulting a population of antibodies that have passed through a process of mutation and selection. However, none of these evolved antibody genes are passed on to the next generation. They occur in somatic cells only, not in the germ line cells (sperm and ova). Each individual has to start from scratch. This is not the case in bacteria. A mutation that confers resistance to antibiotics or bacteriophage, for example, are passed on to the next generation because there is no separation between somatic and germline cells. What you need to keep in mind is how evolution affects a reproducing population over time, not a single individual during its lifetime.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
But ithink, i am not sure, B-cells in next generations are more prone to produce antibodies, specally if the reason of this production is repeated again and again. B-cells are terminally differentiated. B-cells never become sperm/ova cells, therefore the mutations that occur in B-cells after birth can not be passed on to offspring. It is that simple. You do not pass on your B-cells to your offspring.
Otherwise this 'experience' will be in vain and it could be againnst nature;s economy law and so illogical.
Your argument that biology must follow your made up laws of economy are illogical. You can not replace reality with how you think reality should work. In the reality I live in, B-cells do not become sperm, nor are they passed on to the next generation. If you are looking for effeciency in biology then you are going to be left wanting. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Here is where my theory offers a different answer: Neural system being the intermediator, passes information between sperm/ova and somatic cells . That's not an answer. That is a made-up fantasy.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Epigenetics give us important clues. Environment affects peri-genome. So there is the mechanism for it. None of which involves the neural system interacting with germ cells. Also, epigenetics does not change the DNA sequence and is therefore incapable of producing the differences seen between species. For example, the differences between humans and chimps is not due to different patterns of DNA methylation and histone packaging. The differences between humans and chimps is due to a difference in DNA sequence.
Do you think that neural system does not participate on it?
We have been waiting for you to present a mechanism by which this can happen. Turning your fantasies into questions does not stop them from being fantasies. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
You surely can't denay what epigenetics have proved that environment affects perigenome. Do you understand what epigenetics does? Can epigenetics explain the differences between humans and chimps? If not, then your "theory" is useless for explaining the differences between species, and is in no way a valid replacement for the current theory of evolution which does explain the differences.
How is it being done if not by neural system? How is it being done by the neural system? The burden of proof is on you.
So Epigenetics is where you should adress at, when you are asking for details about the mechanism. Your mechanism is incapable of producing the differences seen between species.
But are there any data that prove that emotionally emriched same information passed to genome over millions of years , can't affect this sequence, either directly by causing mutations or by affecting other mechanisms ?(engineering systems, HGM ect). Shouldn't you find this out before claiming that this data does exist? Usually, a theory starts with observations. So where are the observations?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Could life style f.e be "known" to genome under inspection otherwise than by neural tissue intervention? You are shifting the burden of proof. You are the one claiming that neural tissue guides mutation in germ line cells. Either evidence this claim or withdraw it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
My "theory"expains these differences between species by evolution through INFORMATION, mutations and natural selection/
Through what information? Be specific, include data, and include mechanisms.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
When i see a car working , i suppose i don't need to relate how is is working to be able to say that cars exist. You would need to relate how a car produces rainbows if you claimed that cars are responsible for rainbows. You claim that neural cells guide mutations in germ cells. Either evidence the claim or withdraw it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Not only. Tthey prove also that the authors believe that life style (obviously by neural system- how else it coulld be done?) can affect epigenome areas. It is simple as that.
Once again, epigenetics does not explain the difference between species. The theory you are trying to replace DOES explain the differences between species. You seem to have a problem here. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
May i suppose that you accept there is a car (the mechanism that i need not to prove its existance)? No one is doubting that empathy exists. What we doubt is that empathy produces specific and beneficial changes in the DNA sequence of sperm and ova. Using my analogy above, we are not doubting the existence of cars or rainbows just as we do not doubt mutations or empathy. What we doubt is the claim that cars CAUSE rainbows just as we doubt that empathy guides mutations.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Evidence is not a condition of a theory. Umm, yes it is.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
In wikipedia' s definition of SCIENTIFIC THEORY not once you find the word evidence You should learn to use Ctrl+F. A simple search for the word "evidence" would have lead you to this section:
quote: It is sloppy work like this which makes us doubt that your speculations hold merit. I will agree that many speculations have become solid scientific theories. However, it took evidence and testing for those speculations to become theories. You have not even proposed a testable hypothesis yet, so you have failed to provide testable predictions and evidence which Wikipedia definition states that a scientific theory requires.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
As for the papers you have cited , i understand that environmental interaction thrugh diet does not require nervous system intervention. But speculating about i inferred that some types of life style require this intervention ,as i suppose you had said as well. How do differences in lifestyle specifically guide the process of mutagenesis in germ cells so that specific beneficial mutations are produced? You keep forgetting what your speculation actually is.
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