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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
If the universe is so tailor made for life why is the overwhelmingly vast majority of the universe so inhospitable to life?
And even this little corner of life that we know of (i.e. Earth) is one cosmic catastrophe away from oblivion. If I was omnipotent I would have done a much better job........
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Taq writes: So it is an assumption required by the methodology but not necessarily a philosophical requirement. We also have no reason to give the supernatural hypothesis any credence at all given it's abysmal track record of failure.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. On the contrary - If there is a divine creator of the universe he has given us ample "excuse" to doubt "his" involvement. Universe Creator Class End of Term Assessment: Must try harder.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
The vastness of the universe is largely pointless if it is designed for us alone. Or even us a other tiny pockets of life elsewhere. As Richard Feynman put it:
"It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama." Your universe designer continues to fail to meet the grade. Inefficiency and profligacy demand a D- at best.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: If you want to live in your chance/what if world, be my guest. Has it ever occurred to you that the universe is not fine tuned for us but that we are fine tuned to fit the universe (or at least the tiny tiny part of it we find ourselves in)? What you are doing is the same as a puddle concluding that the hole it finds itself in was designed specifically for it to fit in. It's silly.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: Here we have a universe suit that perfectly fits the earth client, and because the rest of the universe seems to be unfit for human habitation, you are telling us a REAL Divine Tailor would have done better! From the science writer, and Pulitzer Prize winner, John McPhee.
"Spread out your arms to represent the 4.6 billion years the Earth has existed. Run your eye all along one arm and to the wrist at the end of the other to get to the start of the Cambrian period, 544 million years ago. The greater Permian extinction of 250 million years ago — when 96 per cent of marine species and three quarters of terrestrial ones died out — is about where the fingers begin. The whole of the Cenozoic era — the last 65 million years is in the fingerprint and with a single stroke with a medium-grained nailfile you could eradicate human history Let's hope that there is no catastrophic equivalent of that single stroke with a nailfile in this supposedly perfectly designed universe.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: Straggler writes: Has it ever occurred to you that the universe is not fine tuned for us but that we are fine tuned to fit the universe (or at least the tiny tiny part of it we find ourselves in)? What you are doing is the same as a puddle concluding that the hole it finds itself in was designed specifically for it to fit in. It's not an either/or, it's BOTH! The puddle probably thinks that too.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: As always you fail to understand not only the stage God created, but why He created it. But that's another topic that's above your pay grade. Well putting aside the why that is apparently above my pay grade (how much is God paying you - I need to speak to my agent) can you explain the seeming extreme wastefulness of such a vast and overwhelmingly inhospitable universe? Why soooooooooooo big when we soooooooooo small?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
J10 writes: Again you are deciding that God was wasteful in designing such a vast and seemingly inhospitable universe wherein He created matter and energy that holds it all together That is exactly what I am saying. Profligacy. Needless waste. The vast stage is too grand for the drama. Billions of years to reach a point where a single metaphorical catastrophic nailfile swipe would wipe out all traces of human existence. None of thiese things indicate a universe designed with us in mind. You are still thinking like that puddle I talked about.
J10 writes: Are you not now playing God? If I was omnipotent I reckon I could have done better than D- in universe creation class yeah.
J10 writes: Nice dodge, putting aside the why! You told me it was above my pay grade.
J10 writes: If you really wany to know what God is paying me, let's go to another forum section and discuss. I'm guessing you are middle management pay grade. "If sufficient number of management layers are superimposed on top of each other, it can be assured that disaster is not left to chance."
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