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Message 387 of 440 (612994)
04-20-2011 10:14 PM

Reply to: Message 381 by marc9000
04-20-2011 8:06 PM

Re: I'll Call your Bluff... and Raze your Argument

You’re the one demanding perfection from free markets, not me.

No; I'm not.

I only want the best that free markets can provide.

Precisely the problem: The best that the free markets can provide is crap compared to what is necessary, which is why no other first world nation relies on the 'free markets' to provide its citizens with life essentials.

If Republicans are helping prevent the EPA/Democrats from labeling much of the middle classes transportation tin cans and prohibiting them from using them, then we have an example of Republicans doing something for the middle class!

No, we have an example of Republicans doing nothing, because that's what allowing any car to spew any poison is: doing nothing.

Because the EPA sets them higher than what is reasonable, to justify its own existence.

Excellent point; I await your supporting evidence.

Jon

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You never bothered answering my question to you in Message 369. Here it is again in case you missed it:

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Jon in Message 369:

Okay, let's assume that's true (it's not, by the way; Thuglicans are against welfare programs of any kind no matter what level of government they work at). Would you support a measure by the Federal government that required all states to implement a state-run health care system? For example, the Federal government could give all the states an amount of money determined to be necessary for funding such health care. The states would then have to provide health care of a minimum standard to all of their citizens using the extra money along with some state-raised money. Depending on how efficient of a system the states could implement, they would be able to keep any extra Federal money left over after providing the minimum care for all of their citizens.

Would you support a 'competitive' state-run program like this?

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Message 394 of 440 (613128)
04-21-2011 8:28 PM

Reply to: Message 392 by Rahvin
04-21-2011 1:57 PM

Re: Minnesota Care

Don't we all benefit from helping people improve their own situations? If our tax dollars help people make ends meet and get better jobs and keep their kids fed, doesn't that also mean they keep spending money in the stores that sell the products that our employers make and so ensure we all keep our own jobs as well?

Not to mention that it's simply the right thing to do.

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Message 415 of 440 (613742)
04-27-2011 12:29 AM

Reply to: Message 412 by marc9000
04-26-2011 9:28 PM

State-run, Federally-funded Health Care

Jon writes:

You never bothered answering my question to you in Message 369. Here it is again in case you missed it:

Okay, let's assume that's true (it's not, by the way; Thuglicans are against welfare programs of any kind no matter what level of government they work at). Would you support a measure by the Federal government that required all states to implement a state-run health care system?

No.

And why not?

Jon writes:

For example, the Federal government could give all the states an amount of money determined to be necessary for funding such health care.

It would have to be borrowed money, the federal government has no money. It is actually trillions of dollars in debt.

Completely irrelevant.

Jon writes:

The states would then have to provide health care of a minimum standard to all of their citizens using the extra money along with some state-raised money. Depending on how efficient of a system the states could implement, they would be able to keep any extra Federal money left over after providing the minimum care for all of their citizens.
Would you support a 'competitive' state-run program like this?

No. It clearly violates what’s stated in
federalist paper #45

The Federalist Papers are irrelevant.

You blame free markets for health care problems in the U.S. , and I blame current government involvement with health care problems in the U.S. That’s where we are, and I have little more to say about the health care issue.

If only you could offer a shred of evidence to support your position...

Why not try to learn something about U.S. foundings on your own, and not rely on a European who does nothing but c/p far left political talking points off the internet? Use some common sense, if the founders intended the government, along with 51% of the population, to be able to do absolutely anything it wanted to do/ grow as big as it wants, why did they go to the trouble to write a constitution and bill of rights? Why even have them? Did you know that Alexander Hamiltion said this:

The Founders are irrelevant.

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Have any states stepped forward yet to provide universal health care to its citizens? Thought not.

Uh, Minnesota care has been discussed in this thread, your Message 380 even had that reference in its title.

Minnesota Care does not provide universal health care. It only provides care for the poorest citizens who are not already on other health 'care' plans. And, with the current crop of legislators, the program is being dismantled as we speak.

Jon

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Message 425 of 440 (614032)
04-30-2011 9:56 PM

Reply to: Message 422 by marc9000
04-30-2011 9:40 PM

What a Joke

We’re talking about free market activity, not thieves.

How many cars do you think Mr. Akerson has built recently?

If you equate free market activity with thievery, then you’re no believer in free markets, or the structure of the U.S. government.

Now that is some funny shit, man! A total load of crap... but funny.

You are a history revisionist in every sense of the word. If the founders had any issues at all with restrictions of free markets, they would have made plenty of reference to it, not only in the constitution/declaration/bill of rights, but in other documented speeches, letters, etc.

The Founders, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, documented speeches, letters, etc. are all irrelevant.

The founding fathers may have known it, but they also knew that it was none of their business, and none of the governments business. That's a historical fact.

Oh! There you go again... telling another funny! These jokes of yours crack me up!

Jon

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Message 426 of 440 (614033)
04-30-2011 10:03 PM

Reply to: Message 421 by marc9000
04-30-2011 9:30 PM

The possibility of eliminating tornadoes by addressing climate change (and shrinking the economy) seems to excite them very much.

How does it shrink the economy?

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Message 431 of 440 (614043)
04-30-2011 11:30 PM

Reply to: Message 430 by marc9000
04-30-2011 10:28 PM

if the government restricts the use of fossil fuels to combat climate change

Has the government done this?

there will be less economic activity.

Do you have any proof for this?

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