IamJoseph,
Genesis does not support the position of IamJoseph.
Sustainable development is the current best idea we have and it is already showing positiove result.
Genesis 1 Verse 28
God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it;
Your comment > The above is not necessarilly attached to this:
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and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.’
I am curious how you can say that the first half of Gen 1:28 is 'not necessarilly attatched' to the second half of Gen 1:28. It is one verse. It is verse 28. If it was not attached, why is it all in the same verse. Why is it attached grammatically? Why is it attatched with the word 'and'? The second half does not even make sense if it is not attatched to the first half.
There is no way any rational person could even suggest that one half of the same b;loody verse is not attatched to the second half of the same verse.
Consider this -
In the beginning when God
The above is not necessarilly attached to this:
created the heavens and the earth.
See how that makes no sense? Of course you dont.
What is the point of the comment anyway? Even if they were different verses, they both still use the words 'the earth'.
I am not sure how you can read the words 'the earth' to mean places other than 'the earth'. The earth, as apposed to the heavens referred to in Gen 1:1. God created the heavens and the earth remember?
Obviously input is required here today - there was no notion of other worlds at that time, but these cannot be excluded today.
Isn't the Old Testament divinely inspired? Was God unaware of the other planets in the universe? I believe that the age attributed to the writing of the Old Testament by fundamentalists is around 1500BCE. Are you suggesting that in 1500 BCE there was no knowledge of the other planets? What about the sun? What about the moon? Do you seriously think that no one looked up at night until after 1500 BCE? I seem to remeber mention of other worlds in Genesis chapter 1 -
God made the two great lightsthe greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the nightand the stars. 17God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, 18to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
So God seemed to know about the sun, the moon and the stars. All of the planets in our solar system are closer than all of the stars (other than the sun). Some are visable to the naked eye. Why do you suggest that people 2500 years ago were unable to see the moon or know about other planets?
'Earth' can refer to physicality and material things, which means humans have to subdue all physicality:
What the fuck are you talking about? The word Earth has a definition. Several definitions depending on how it is used. None of the definitions of Earth refer to physicality or material things. The word Earth does not mean either of those so your assertion is baseless. You cant make up meanings for words to suit your own requirements. Here are the definitions of earth. They refute your position.
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earth
noun
1.
(often initial capital letter) the planet third in order from the sun, having an equatorial diameter of 7926 miles (12,755 km) and a polar diameter of 7900 miles (12,714 km), a mean distance from the sun of 92.9 million miles (149.6 million km), and a period of revolution of 365.26 days, and having one satellite.
2.
the inhabitants of this planet, especially the human inhabitants: The whole earth rejoiced.
3.
this planet as the habitation of humans, often in contrast to heaven and hell: to create a hell on earth.
4.
the surface of this planet: to fall to earth.
5.
the solid matter of this planet; dry land; ground.
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Earth Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com)
This says the only saving path for humanity, as well as all other life forms, rests in the directive given in Genesis
Nowhere in Genesis does it say or even suggest that humanity should occupy any other space other than the Earth. Genesis specifically states "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it" (Gen 1:28). You book tells you in no uncertain terms to fill the Earth. This is God giving the instruction remember. He knows about other planets. If he wanted you to go to other planets he would have said some thing like : Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the heavens and the earth and subdue them. But God did not give this command. He commanded you to fill the Earth only. Do you think God made a mistake when he left the heavens out? According to your Gods command, you are required to do the exact opposite of what you suggest. Your crazy idea directly disobeys Gods command.
the notion of forever sustaining life only on this planet via climate protection premises advocated today - is a guaranteed reciepe for disaster - to the extent the reverse must be strived for.
All this sentence proves is that you have no idea what you are talking about. It proves that you have not read any of the information supplied to you. It proves you do not know what sustainable development is. It proves that you are argueing against a position you know nothing about.
What good is a clean planet if we cannot turn our noses without bumbing into someone else?
This sentence proves that you do not know anything about demographics. It proves that you have either not read, or not understood any of the information supplied to you.
What good is a clean planet based on the elimination of humanity and other life forms?
This sentence proves that you have either not read or not understood the information provided to you. It shows that you are being deliberately ignorant. It proves that you are intentionally ignoring facts in order to remain ignorant. How can you mind fuck yourself so effectively? How is it possible to ignore reality and ignore the information spelt out so plainly to you? It must be hard work ignoring so much information to keep your dilusions active.
This is the scenario anticipated and advocated against in Genesis.
Incorrect. Your bible does not say anything about overpopulation or modern age pollution. Genesis does not provide a solution to overpopulation, modern pollution or the effects of overusing natural resources.
Let me see how clearly i can spell this out to you -
The problems are : Overpopulation and the exploitation of the environment.
The instructions given in Genesis are : ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.
So the instructions of Genesis are to create,continue and increase the problem of overpopulation and to bring (land) under cultivation. (definition of subdue in relation to earth is to bring (land) under cultivation).
The aim of sustainable development is : controlled population and stewardship/protection of the land.
Lets put that another way.
Genesis 'solution'
Problem - Overpopulation - action - increase population - problem increases.
Problem - modern pollution - action - cultivate the land - problem increases.
problem - overuse of natural resources - action - multiply and cultivate the land - problem increases.
Sustainable development solution
Problem - Overpopulation - action - population control - problem reduces.
Problem - modern pollution - action - protection and stewardship of the land - problem reduces.
problem - overuse of natural resources - action - protection and stewardship of the land - problem reduces.
How about another way
Fail/succeed ratio of Genesis and sustainable development to reducing the problems of overpopulation, modern pollution and overuse of natural resources.
Genesis - fail, fail, fail
Sustainable development - succeed, succeed, succeed.
If your God anticipated this problem, he would not have advised a course of action that will increase the problem.
I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
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