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Omnivorous
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Message 46 of 270 (641337)
11-18-2011 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Taz
11-18-2011 2:26 PM


Re: Symptoms of societal disfunction
Taz writes:

Is there a reason you've been digging up really old threads? Just curious.

He's stealing them.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 47 of 270 (641338)
11-18-2011 4:49 PM
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11-18-2011 4:47 PM


Re: Symptoms of societal disfunction
Nahh..Im liberating them from their capitalist oppressors.

add by edit: Reasons?
1) They often take on a new life
2) Why have a database if old topics cant be resurrected?
3) I like that word--resurrection
4) Because it irritates Theodoric

Edited by Phat, : add


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Omnivorous
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Message 48 of 270 (641348)
11-18-2011 5:29 PM
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11-18-2011 4:49 PM


Re: Symptoms of societal disfunction
Phat writes:

Im liberating them from their capitalist oppressors.

Steal This Thread by Abbey Huffyman.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 49 of 270 (641349)
11-18-2011 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Modulous
11-18-2011 4:21 PM


Re: fraud
Modolous writes:

My job partially revolves around catching fraudsters. This is the same rationalization that credit card fraudsters and insurance fraudsters come up with all the time. Just a FYI.


PHD Player hater dgree.

If that were true, you would not need the deceptive practices and you could approach them honestly and say 'I am providing you with large profit margins on the rest of my goods, can I get a discount on this tea?' If they really don't give a shit, as you say...

They dont I was with a friend who works there, and he saw me setting prices for my tea, and was like what the hell are you doing? I explained it to him. And he said oh. Then I said he should turn a blind eye since he works there, he said they dont care, they dont even prosecute people they catch stealing food, they are more concerned with public opinion of them. to which I said ooooooh, well in that case

This is a criminal morality, not the kind of morality you should aspire to I would have thought. The fact that you looked this up, means you also know it is a criminal offense, just one that is so minor so that people won't be motivated to enforce it, and even if they did you can cope with the penalty.

Yeah but there is no God or any afterliferight? so fuck it! Ima get mine. Milq da game.
I love it when liberal atheists tell me about morality. Oh the irony.
I bet you have never illegally downloaded any music, or anything on the internet, right? Me neither

Using the apathy of employees is a tactic of fraudsters.

Is that a British word? Across the pond we say Hustlers or Hustlaz, and there are some good songs about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9TouRnO84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_dh16HQkqQ&ob=av3e

You're certainly not alone, many people will commit fraud, sometimes even serious fraud, if an opportunity presents itself.

Yes, but mine is petty, so its no biggie.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 50 of 270 (641350)
11-18-2011 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 4:23 PM


Re: fraud
Dr. Adequate writes:


Stealing.
Look, suppose you leave your house, and while you're out someone burgles it and robs you of all your possessions. Is that theft? I would say yes. But wait! You didn't hire security guards to watch your house when you were out. You "did not give shit". So has anyone really stolen from you?
What if you did hire security guards, but they were incompetent? Well then they did "not give shit". So apparently no theft has been committed.
I think it was theft, 'cos of them taking stuff that was yours but not theirs. If you really disagree with that on principle, then perhaps you could give me your address, 'cos apparently then I could take all your stuff and you wouldn't regard it as theft.


Of course I would, but I do pay them something. If you burgled me but left me $250, it would suck, but Id be alright, because I have insurance on all my shit. And the $250 deductible would be paid for by you, and I would get all new stuff.

Wanna come over I need a new PC.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 51 of 270 (641351)
11-18-2011 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:42 PM


Re: fraud
Of course I would, but I do pay them something. If you burgled me but left me $250 ...

Curiously enough, leaving $250 was not part of my plan.

Now, try again. If I burgle your house, and get away with it, is that theft?


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jar
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Message 52 of 270 (641352)
11-18-2011 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:38 PM


Re: fraud
Only someone totally without an morality and deserving of nothing but contempt could possibly say "Yes, but mine is petty, so its no biggie."

Sorry Charlie but you are just a common criminal.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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hooah212002
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Message 53 of 270 (641353)
11-18-2011 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:38 PM


Re: fraud
Have you ever had a serious/non-troll discussion on this forum?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 54 of 270 (641354)
11-18-2011 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
11-18-2011 4:43 PM


Re: fraud
Phat writes:

Artemis is a prime example of some of the activity I encounter. At least he(you) are honest enough to tell us about it...I suspect that you are boasting. You feel better about life when you get a bargain that not everyone else gets.


Not boasting just sharing some game. Though your misunderstanding is the main reason you dont talk to squares about the hustle.

Trouble is, you have set the terms for your bargain...which by the way is out and out fraud....and have informed us that you justify it in your own mind and in your own way. Fine...I appreciate your honesty and wont get mad at you personally for having the balls to discuss it with us.

It doesnt take any balls, because this becomes a hypothetical question real fast if this gets serious, I could be making all this up for the purpose of a discussion please dont tell me that after 666+ posts anyone here takes me serious at all.

In a way, I understand the thrill that shoplifting often gives people.

I dont consider it shoplifting. The thrill is saving some money.

The sad fact is, competition drives the market, and many are turning to dishonest means to get ahead in life.

Yes we refer to those people as Americans.

I hope that technology someday allows enough of a big brother presence so that everybody has to pay the same prices. I can't stand anyone getting better "deals" than I do.

Yuck. Maybe if America ceases to exist and some authoritarian crazy place is here instead, or you could just move to the UK.

SIDE NOTE on EVC POSTING POLITENESS: should I respond to each and every person like I just did here, or is one big response with individuals quoted better?


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Message 55 of 270 (641355)
11-18-2011 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:38 PM


Re: fraud
Yeah but there is no God or any afterliferight? so fuck it! Ima get mine. Milq da game. I love it when liberal atheists tell me about morality. Oh the irony.

What does a God or an afterlife have to do with morality? Morality is how humans interact with one another. I'm not sure how it is ironic for a liberal atheist to talk about morality.

Is that a British word? Across the pond we say Hustlers or Hustlaz

Fraudster is an English word. Hustler is a colloquial term for 'con man'. Con-men are often fraudsters, but most 'hustlers' would regard underpaying for tea as pathetic petty theft (though they may still go ahead and do it).

bet you have never illegally downloaded any music, or anything on the internet, right?

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am lecturing you or something. I am not suggesting that you are a terrible person for committing crimes, I'm just pointing out that it is criminal behaviour.

I was just responding your stated position that 'My friend told me this is stealing. I maintain that it is bargaining.' and saying it wasn't bargaining, it was fraud.

You seem to be agreeing with me on that point.

Yes, but mine is petty, so its no biggie.

Maybe so, but it is not 'bargaining' nor is it really cool or clever enough to be considered 'hustling'.


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Percy
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Message 56 of 270 (641356)
11-18-2011 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:42 PM


Re: fraud
One of the things creationists teach us everyday is that people have little difficulty convincing themselves of the truth of whatever it is they want to believe. You don't believe you're a thief, and as with most people, what you believe is good enough for you. Most criminals are prime examples of the need for people to believe good things about themselves even while committing heinous acts.

Artemis Entreri writes:

Yes, but mine is petty, so its no biggie.

Like the girl in the old joke, we've already determined what kind of person you are, now we're finding out the price.

--Percy


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 57 of 270 (641357)
11-18-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 5:44 PM


Re: fraud
Dr Adequate writes:

Curiously enough, leaving $250 was not part of my plan.
Now, try again. If I burgle your house, and get away with it, is that theft?

I said yes already.
Its insured Ill be alright.

jar writes:

Sorry Charlie but you are just a common criminal.

Always looking for an opportunity for name calling.

hooah212002 writes:

Have you ever had a serious/non-troll discussion on this forum?

Why bother?
My choices are: call creationists names and make fun of them (boring option), or take a position outside of the status quo, and entice discussion (not boring to me). What you call trolling I call fueling a debate, if everyone agreed all the time then this would suck. Anytime anyone disagrees with the OP they are a troll from your perspective it seems, but from mine it is just part of the fun of discussing topics on a message board.
Unfortunately there are people like you and Jar who have to resort to ad hominem, because they cant form a rebuttal, or they are just too lazy too. But I guess it takes all kinds.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 58 of 270 (641358)
11-18-2011 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:54 PM


Re: fraud
I dont consider it shoplifting.

Interesting. Do you consider an animal shaped like a horse with black and white stripes to be a zebra?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 59 of 270 (641359)
11-18-2011 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:04 PM


Re: fraud
I said yes already.

So how is that different from your justification for stealing, i.e. that you can get away with it?


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 60 of 270 (641360)
11-18-2011 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Modulous
11-18-2011 5:56 PM


Re: fraud
Modolous writes:

Fraudster is an English word. Hustler is a colloquial term for 'con man'. Con-men are often fraudsters, but most 'hustlers' would regard underpaying for tea as pathetic petty theft (though they may still go ahead and do it).

English, British you know what I meant same difference, lets not get into semantics till like page 7 or 8.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am lecturing you or something. I am not suggesting that you are a terrible person for committing crimes, I'm just pointing out that it is criminal behaviour.
I was just responding your stated position that 'My friend told me this is stealing. I maintain that it is bargaining.' and saying it wasn't bargaining, it was fraud.
You seem to be agreeing with me on that point.

I do. You are fun on here. Ok its fraud. Not stealing. Ha ha I knew he was wrong. I was wrong too, but me agreeing with you that its fraud also means that Dr Adequate is wrong (and he NEVER admits that), because he is dead set that it is stealing.

I am going to lock in with Modolous here. It is fraudulent behavior, Not stealing.
I dont steal, Im no thief. I Fraud stuff.

Maybe so, but it is not 'bargaining' nor is it really cool or clever enough to be considered 'hustling'.

LOL nice try. I aint about to share the good stuff publicly on the itnernets, sorry dog , you got to figure that part of the game out on your own.
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