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Catholic Scientist
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Message 31 of 46 (641427)
11-19-2011 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Omnivorous
11-18-2011 5:23 PM


Re: Cats rule
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Thirty-nine percent of U.S. households own at least one dog

quote:
Thirty-three percent of U.S. households own at least one cat

quote:
Most owners (60 percent) own one dog

quote:
Fifty-two percent of owners own more than one cat

I don't think cat owners are the majority.


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Message 32 of 46 (641456)
11-19-2011 2:03 PM
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11-19-2011 10:05 AM


Re: Cats rule

You care too much, dawg.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 46 (641482)
11-19-2011 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ann1979
11-14-2011 1:21 AM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Ann writes:

i have a cat and two dogs. It is interesting that the cat sometimes seems to look at some invisible to me. Just an interesting idea that , dose the cat really can see ghost?

This is just one more of the corroborative evidences of the Biblical record, regarding the existence of a higher intelligence relative to creatures existing in the Universe.

There are both the good and the evil entities among creatures of higher powers and intelligence than what we experience here on tiny planet earth.

This is all logical, given the relatively minuscule role of our tiny planet in the massive Universe at large.

quote:
Numbers 22:21-38
King James Version (KJV)

21; Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.

22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

23And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.

24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.

25And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.

27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.

30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.

31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

33And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.

34And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again.



BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 34 of 46 (641484)
11-19-2011 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Omnivorous
11-18-2011 5:04 PM


Re: Cats rule
Besides, dogs drool

My avatar cat (Smudge) drools on me all the time when he is excited: ain't just mutts.

The good thing about cats is they don't stink of dog.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.

Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.


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Message 35 of 46 (641487)
11-19-2011 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
11-19-2011 5:22 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
This is just one more of the corroborative evidences of the Biblical record, regarding the existence of a higher intelligence relative to creatures existing in the Universe

The fact that you would use this whale snot spam thread as evidence for the 'biblical record' is clear evidence in how you are woefully underfunded in the reasoning department.

And another good reason as to why you are not allowed to discuss certain topics on this site.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.

Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.


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Message 36 of 46 (641490)
11-19-2011 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
11-19-2011 5:22 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Buzsaw writes:

This is just one more of the corroborative evidences of the Biblical record, regarding the existence of a higher intelligence relative to creatures existing in the Universe.

My cat never sees any invisible entities.
Ah well - that's your 'corroborative evidence' cancelled out by my 'uncorroborative evidence'.

Better luck next time!

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 37 of 46 (641495)
11-19-2011 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Larni
11-19-2011 5:32 PM


Re: Cats rule
Larni writes:

My avatar cat (Smudge) drools on me all the time when he is excited: ain't just mutts.

The good thing about cats is they don't stink of dog.

The stink thing is important.

Our big cat, Sibyl, is a six-toed "mitten" cat. She never drools about food, but she does "well-up" about affection.

Some things that seem the same are fundamentally different:

For example, girl spit is radically preferable to boy spit.
Cat drool is nothing like dog drool.

My first dog, Dino, never drooled. He was, like foxes, a very graceful and cat-like canine.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 38 of 46 (641498)
11-19-2011 6:26 PM
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11-19-2011 5:50 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Panda writes:

My cat never sees any invisible entities.

Nor do mine: I've learned that when my cats seem to be tracking something invisible around the room, it's only invisible to me.

On several occasions I've discovered the ghost to be extraordinarily tiny gnats. Once I found my most feral cat tracking a dust mote floating around on the room's thermals.

She ate it.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 46 (641516)
11-19-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Larni
11-19-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Larni writes:

The fact that you would use this whale snot spam thread as evidence for the 'biblical record' is clear evidence in how you are woefully underfunded in the reasoning department.

And another good reason as to why you are not allowed to discuss certain topics on this site.

All I'm saying is that animals sometimes act as if they are experiencing something unusual. Perhaps rabies infections, i.e. animal madness is due to demon entities within the animal.

If you have a better explanation for the madness phenomena in animals, let us in on it, as per thread topic rather than personally attacking me.

Spam or not, the thread was promoted by an admin so don't go at me for participating. OK?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Larni
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Message 40 of 46 (641517)
11-19-2011 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
11-19-2011 10:32 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
No Buz, I did not attack you personally. I made a conclusion based on your behaviour, rather than your inherent qualities.

You may not like my conclusion, but my reasoning and subsequent conclusions are corroberated by the evidence and, as we all know, evidenced and reasoned arguement are the very nub of the issue.

Back to the topic: cats and other animals react to things we cannot sense because they have better sense and pick things up we miss.

Simple. Not an unevidenced extraneous entity in sight.

Abe: I have no issue with you posting. But to use this topic as evidence for your beliefs is very weak, indeed.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.

Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.


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Message 41 of 46 (641530)
11-20-2011 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Omnivorous
11-19-2011 2:03 PM


Re: Cats rule
You lost too easily, pussy.
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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 46 (641557)
11-20-2011 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Larni
11-19-2011 11:06 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Larni writes:

No Buz, I did not attack you personally. I made a conclusion based on your behaviour, rather than your inherent qualities.
You may not like my conclusion, but my reasoning and subsequent conclusions are corroberated by the evidence and, as we all know, evidenced and reasoned arguement are the very nub of the issue.

Back to the topic: cats and other animals react to things we cannot sense because they have better sense and pick things up we miss.

Simple. Not an unevidenced extraneous entity in sight.

Abe: I have no issue with you posting. But to use this topic as evidence for your beliefs is very weak, indeed.

You did indeed attack me personally. Nothing in that message added a whit to topic. It was all a demeaning rant about me.

Now, how about addressing my topic point pertaining to mad animal phenomena which leads animals who are otherwise fearful of man to attack man? I've aired my explanation. What's yours?

Mine is supported by the fact that killers like Son of Sam, who even the prison guards were once fearful of believes himself to have been demon possessed, hearing voices etc to kill fellow humans?
David Berkowitz, aka Son Of Sam, who has been since converted, i.e. born of God's Spirit is now like an angel in prison, helping others, disabled in the prison, get around and do things they are unable to do on their own, etc.

James Dobson interviewed Berkowitz over a series of visits and broadcast them a few years ago on Family Life Radio.

David has no desire to get out. He knows he deserves life.

I see a correlation between humans who hear voices and have compulsions to kill and other phenomena such as mad animal disease, i.e. mad cow, mad dog, etc.

I see also a correlation of the above as evidence of the existence of beings, both good and evil in the universe, as per the Biblical record.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 43 of 46 (641564)
11-20-2011 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Buzsaw
11-20-2011 8:10 AM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
I back tracked this thread and nowhere has 'mad animals' been brought up except in your posts.

How do you get from 'can cats see ghosts' to 'mad animals' attacking humans?

But I may as well air my explanation.

Son of Sam was a unhinged killer. It is strongly suggested he was a paranoid scizophrenic. Guess what? This is an organic disorder that can be controlled with meds.

Some symptoms of schizophrenia are auditory and visual hallucinations, and delusions of reference. So, no demons, just organic psychological disorder.

With animals that attack humans? Treat an animal badly and what do you expect? There is no such thing as 'mad animal phenomena'.

Edited by Larni, : Spellink


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.

Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.


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Message 44 of 46 (641580)
11-20-2011 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
11-19-2011 10:32 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
If you have a better explanation for the madness phenomena in animals, let us in on it.....

Uh.......viral destruction of bits of the brain??

Really, Buz! Lyssaviruses have actually been cultured and observed!!! Negri bodies can actually be seen with a microscope in the brains of critters that have rabies! Demons? Not so much. You are reaching rather far.


"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Message 45 of 46 (641582)
11-20-2011 12:44 PM
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11-20-2011 12:21 PM


Re: Good And Evil Entities
Coragyps writes:

Uh.......viral destruction of bits of the brain??

I was not sure what to think when I read that Buz thinks that Rabies is caused by demon entities.
I didn't know that germs and viruses were still disbelieved by people. I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise as there are still flat-earthers out there.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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