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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2964 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
shadow71 writes: I meant TAQ not Taz. Sorry.
I do want to say that Taz and Wounded King and a few others will acknowledge good scientific points, but they are in the minority.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
subbie writes: It really is quite astonishing, isn't it? One cannot escape the feeling that not only does Buz not understand science talk, he doesn't even really have much of a grasp on plain English. One cannot excape the feeling that resident evolutionists do not understand, or allow for creation science talk. Your bully pulpit site owner simply bans it from debate so as for it to stand or fall on it's own merits. As for plain English, at times some you vindictive counterparts don't have it quite right either. When it comes to the meaning of the scientific term, evidence, you simply deny it all, including it's proper meaning. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There is no such thing as 'Creation Science' and there could never be such a thing; it is an oxymoron.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: Well you know little or nothing how the prophets of Dephi corroborate the existence of Apollo a Greek god LoL. If you think the alleged prophets of Dephi or anything supporting the existence of a Greek god is supported by evidence, you haven't a clue as to the mountains of evidence pertaining to the Biblical record and how scanty little there is to the Greek gods in comparison. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
LoL. If you think the alleged prophets of Dephi or anything supporting the existence of a Greek god is supported by evidence, you haven't a clue as to the mountains of evidence pertaining to the Biblical record and how scanty little there is to the Greek gods in comparison. No YOU havent got a clue, the mountain of evidence pertaining to the oracle of Delphi and their prophecies COMING TRUE out ways your whole bible, And that evidence does not only come from the Greeks other civilizations also wrote about the oracle of Delphi and their prophecies. So the god Apollo MUST BE REAL so worship him and maby you will see the Elisian fields or be dammed to Tartarus hereuis a small list List of oracular statements from Delphi - Wikipedia
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Wow. There I was, being all nice and reasonable and polite, and I still get jeered from Buz? I actually ask your opinion rather than just lambasting you, and you still don't like it? Huh.
The solution is very simple. As NoNukes implied and as nearly 100% of evolutionists once voted, the solution is to allow Buzsaw to be Buzsaw in the common existing science forums as it was back in the good old days when the creo-evo debates were smokin. Why are you making this about you? We aren't lacking you, Buz. We're lacking Creationists in general. Are you suggesting that allowing you, personally, re-admittance into the science forums would help us retain more Creationists?The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
LOL. Nothing whatsoever pertaining to our times as is with the Biblical record, such as the 2nd advent of the nation of Israel after 19 centuries of dispersion, etc. For that matter nothing near as imerically substantiated as the Biblical record. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You keep making that claim Buz but never provide the Chapter and Verse so we can see if there is such a prophecy and if it is in any way fulfilled.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 613 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
All of the creationists have gone because most of you act like jerks toward creationists. Why would any of us want to stick around and be treated like that? Most of all, we get tired of reading all of your guys crap. If I told you want I wanted to do to some of you guys after reading your posts, it would not only get me banned but would result in cops banging on my front door.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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foreveryoung writes:
Once again you show your true face: hatred and violence. If I told you want I wanted to do to some of you guys after reading your posts, it would not only get me banned but would result in cops banging on my front door.Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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it would not only get me banned but would result in cops banging on my front door I don't know how serious you are, but I did want to point out that one former poster here did manage to get himself arrested after repeatedly threatening people over the internet. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Rahvin wrote a reasoned, dispassionate post describing one specific type of error that you frequently make here. He then asked you to suggest how this problem might be addressed.
You could have denied that he accurately described your posting history. You could have asked him to provide more examples if you were unsure what he was talking about. You could have acknowledged that you understood the problem and suggested possible solutions to it. You did none of those things. You didn't even acknowledge the specific problem he addressed. Instead, you trotted out the tired old martyr routine, the same thing that you seem to say every time someone comments on your apparent inability to understand much of the language used here. This strongly suggests that you didn't understand the points that Rahvin made. It would be quite simple for you to dispel this suggestion; respond to the points that Rahvin actually made, either in one of the fashions I mention above, or in some other way that might occur to you. But the worst thing to do to try to dispel the notion is talk about completely different issues that have nothing to do with what Rahvin wrote.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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DWIII Member (Idle past 1783 days) Posts: 72 From: United States Joined:
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shadow71 writes:
Wounded King writes: How can we have a debate when as a response all you do is post huge chunks of quote from other people instead of making a reasoned argument yourself? If you really want to debate CRISPRs I'm game, either in a new topic or in a great debate, but I want to debate with you not with a giant wall of text taken from various different papers, e.g. Message 735.Citations are supposed to support your argument not be your argument. I am not a scientist so I have to rely on papers etc to support my contentions.
Being a scientist or not being a scientist is quite irrelevant here; some are, and some are not (such as you and I). The issue here is what understanding of your own of the science you yourself can bring to the table.
For example when I brought to jury trial a medical malpractice case I had to rely on my experts explanation of what was wrong with the medical treatment and present that to the jury in the testimony of my experts and then in closing argument explain that to the jury. That is what I try to do on this board.
Unfortunately, your overt reliance on typical lawyer tactics do not and will not get you very far on this type of forum. That is the usual problem with advocates of pseudoscience: they think victory is achieved through swaying the lowest common denominator to their side at all costs. That's not scientific debate; that's just puerile politics.
But it gets quite annoying when all you get is silly combacks and not argument.
How sad for you, since juries seldom argue back. DWIII
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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I am not a scientist so I have to rely on papers etc to support my contentions. If your logic. that one must know the science as a trained scientist before expressing support for his or her postion, then there is no room for debate by a layperson. That's not what WK is saying. What he is saying is that it is useless for you to throw out snippets of scientific papers which you do not understand. It matters not a jot whether you are a qualified or practising scientist. It doesn't matter if you are an educated layperson. What matters is that you understand what you are talking about. If you understand the subject then fine, go ahead and talk about it. If you understand what the scientists are saying, then go ahead and quote them. But the reality is that you don't understand the topics you bring up. Then you try to debate them with people who do understand those topics. This is a waste of time.
For example when I brought to jury trial a medical malpractice case I had to rely on my experts explanation of what was wrong with the medical treatment and present that to the jury in the testimony of my experts and then in closing argument explain that to the jury. That is what I try to do on this board. This isn't a jury trial though. You have to debate for yourself. If you are incapable of forming a coherent position, then the proper thing to do is either a) educate yourself until you do have an understanding or b) stop talking and leave science to those who understand it. After all, how are you meant to know whether the papers you cite genuinely support your position or not if you don't understand them? If you can't be bothered to educate yourself to the necessary level, that's fine. It's a tough subject after all and it would require a lot of effort. I certainly can't be bothered to put in the effort that would be required to completely understand this CRISPR system, it simply doesn't interest me that much. But then I don't go around telling the experts that they're wrong. I keep silent on topics that I don't understand. All that WK is telling is that you should raise your game so that you understand what you're talking about. If you cannot or will not do this, then silence is the only appropriate alternative.
But it gets quite annoying when all you get is silly combacks and not argument. I can see how that would be annoying. I sympathise, genuinely. I understand that it must be frustrating to you. However, your frustration does not change the fact that you are pontificating on a subject that you do not understand. We see a lot of people, mainly creationists, on this board trying to discuss subjects that they plainly have no grasp of. Guess what? That's kind of annoying as well. Mutate and Survive
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: No YOU havent got a clue, the mountain of evidence pertaining to the oracle of Delphi and their prophecies COMING TRUE out ways your whole bible, And that evidence does not only come from the Greeks other civilizations also wrote about the oracle of Delphi and their prophecies. So the god Apollo MUST BE REAL so worship him and maby you will see the Elisian fields or be dammed to Tartarus The Delphi Oracles ,as I alleged were no-where near as imperical or relative to our end times as the mountains of imperical Biblical prophesies. A comparison would be a Modle T Ford to a modern Alexis, etc. Many of the Delphi prophecies failed. Not so with those of the Bible, though the likes of Jar, et al fail to acknowledge any of them. To do so would make them, you, et al accountable to a higer power, i.e. the Biblical existing creator-god, Jehovah.
quote: BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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