foreveryoung writes:
You and many here show true hatred and violence toward creationists on almost every post.
I think you drastically overestimate our regard for you. I feel like I can speak for most of us when I tell you that we just don't think about you enough to hate you. The boot does not hate the ant, to paraphrase a recent movie.
In exactly the same way, this sums up why there aren’t many creationists here. Science is controlled by atheism, and scientists largely overestimate Christians regard for THEM. They don’t think about them enough to bother to post here.
No, you got it completely wrong. foreveryoung is kind of a special case, because the circumstances he finds himself in, both with respect to scientists and
also with respect to "fellow" Christians who have been giving him a helluva lot more grief and and hatred than any "evolutionist" ever has. He is starting to break free from the really bad "science" that his religious sect had taught him and feeling isolated and hated (again, primarily because of his fellow Christians' reaction to his seeking truth) has turned to reacting with extreme negativity at any sign of disagreement with him. This has generated a lot of hatred within him, but to whom to direct it? While the obvious target of that hatred should be the "good Christians" who have been attacking and wounding him the most, he apparently feels blocked from blaming them and so directs his hatred against "the others", the "evolutionists". He is emotionally fragile, perhaps at a major turning point in his life. He is certainly not deserving of our hate, but rather of our concern, which to some amounts to pity.
It is unconscionable that you would try to exploit foreveryoung in this manner. Though certainly completely in line with what Christians will do.
But then you try to subvert the agony that foreveryoung is going through,
mostly at the hands of other Christians, to your own pet delusion, that science is controlled by atheism! You obviously have very little idea what science is, and even less an inkling of what atheism is.
Christians are interested in the science that develops things like computers, medical procedures, chemical advances, etc. — things that promote better societies here and now, not the speculation of what happened millions and billions of years ago, branches of science that do little more than provide intellectual fulfillment for atheism.
What you are describing as "science" is actually
technology. And your little diatribe there fully illustrates the problem. You want to enjoy all the pleasures of modern technology while wanting to feel free to reject all the science that lies beneath that technology and without which that technology could not exist. As Brother Orson Scott Card declared in his classic (albeit now disclaimed at the behest of his Mormon masters)
Secular Humanist Revival Meeting (quoted here from memory):
quote:
But {the fundamentalists} don't want to attack science under its own name! They all love their flush toilets too much!
One of the
Leitmotifs that shows up repeatedly is the "conflict between two different world-views". Well, Junge (oder "mi hijo" or whatever applelation you may wish, you kid in need of illumination from your seniors), here are those two "world views":
1. The Scientific World View -- the universe operates by consistent "laws". Everything operates by consistent "rules" that we mere humans are able to observe and derive from our observations.
Everything must be consistent. Any inconsistency needs to be investigated and reconciled with our understanding of how the universe operates, including realizing through this inconsistency that our understanding of the universe is flawed and needs to be corrected.
Everything is interrelated. One thing that no scientist can ever do is to pick one idea and ignore everything else; the scientific world-view is intricately interrelated, like a tapestry wherein every single thread must be in its exact place, or else the entire tapestry will unravel.
IOW, the scientific world-view is a totally integrated one. If any one part of it is wrong, then everything else will unravel. In the scientific world-view, you are not free to pick and choose what you want to accept and what you want to reject. Everything depends on everything else. That is the price you pay for reality.
2. The Religious World View -- Everything is fore-ordained in an ancient text written by fallible humans and interpreted by fallible humans in an astoundingly number of different and very different ways and purported to be divinely inspired, etc, etc, etc, etc. Everything in the universe that we observe must be in accordance with our own particular interpretation of that ancient text.
Absolutely no exceptions must be allowed, not even the ones that just happen to be true (don't you just
hate those inconveniences? No, wait, they're a problem for religionists, but aphrodisiacs for scientists!).
What happens when what's observed conflicts with the receive religious truth? Does it need to be dealt with and somehow integrated into the "integrated" religious world view? No, of course not! That "integrated religious world view" does not exist and must be maintained
in direct opposition to reality.
IOW, the scientific world-view must forever remain true to observed reality, while the religious world-view feels free to ignore reality at every convenient occasion, taking reality up
piece-meal, embracing the parts we want to and ignoring the parts that we don't want to. After all, everything is God's Creation, everything pieced together completely arbitrarily, such that no human could ever even dream to piece anything together. Law of Gravity? Laughable joke! At any moment, God can negate that! Thermodynamics, not that creationists have ever even begun to understand any of it? All of it smitten away by the mere Will of God.
Which is the one to follow?
OK, let's eliminate God from the equation. How does that change the scientific view? Not one iota. How does that change the religionists' view? Uff da! (Norwegian for "Holy shit!!!!")
OK, without God in the equation, science has no problem whatsoever. But for the religionists, everything is lost. They want to argue that reality means nothing? They want to argue that some things remain true while other inconvenient things remain true?
To the religionist, the choice is clear. Grab onto everything that appears to support your position while completely rejecting every thing that doesn't. Of course, what that leaves you with is a disjointed world-view. You cherry-pick and choose what you want to accept and what you want to reject and absolutely none of it had anything to do with reality, but rather with what your own personal theology will and will not accept.
And I guess that's what really divides us, isn't it? One side seeks a unified world-view whereas the other side wants to delude itself that the facts simply do not exist. And neither side can understand how the other side could even begin to start to function.
BTW, it's the religionists' side that's in denial and is delusional. Though, as always, you are entirely free to plead your case.
As countless thousands of Christians are saddened by forums such as these.
I am not in the least skeptical that thousands of Christians are saddened by forums such as this one. Especially since this forum is run completely contrary to how
good Christian forums are run.
OK! Listen Up! Here is how GOOD CHRISTIAN FORUMS are run! The ENEMY (id est, any NON-Christian, which even includes the vast majority of Christians who just happen to not agree with US!) will try to infiltrate us! DO NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN! Eliminate them as soon as possible! They may be able to sneak through, but as soon as their nature is determined, ELIMINATE THEM! DESTROY THEM! MAKE AS THOUGH THEY NEVER EVER EXISTED! HU-RAHH!
Ever hear the term, desaparecido? "Disappeared". As used widely in South America and elsewhere. Remember the mothers of los desaparecidos marching month after month in plain sight of the Argentine government, trying to find out what had happened to their children? "Disappeared people". People who used to exist, but then suddenly no longer existed. "Disappeared" at the will of the government.
That is how Christian forums work all the time. If they decide that they don't like you (and it takes extremely little for them to arrive at that conclusion), then you are gone. You are more than gone, because
you never even existed. You have been disappeared, you are a "desaparacido". All trace of your existence has been eradicated. And you never ever received any kind of notification that you were in trouble; one day, you just do not exist!
Compare that
good Christian reality with how this forum is run. If you're treading in dangerous places, a moderator will try to communicate that fact with you. Not at all like what any fucking Christian moderator would even begin to think of doing! You're violating the forum rules? You get a warning first, and then when you're suspended you get some kind of explanation. What happens on some fucking "good Christian"forum? You are gone. End of story. No warning, no explanation, no fucking nothing! Can you return to this forum after having been suspended? Usually, yes. On a "good Christian" forum? Never! Christians never forgive! They only damn for eternity!!!!
As countless thousands of Christians are saddened by forums such as these.
Yes, because forums such as these actually allow some kind of exchange of ideas. While the
Christian forums do their utmost to prevent any possible exchange of ideas. Because the Christian cause can only be served by ignorance and blind hatred. The very last thing that any thinking Christian would want would be any exchange of ideas.
My posting privileges are suspended but they've magnanimously offered to reinstate them if I promise to play nice.
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