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Author Topic:   Can the Christian God exist without the Bible?
Stile
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Message 61 of 106 (667793)
07-12-2012 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Phat
07-12-2012 2:15 AM


Re: God exists or He does not
Phat writes:
Can Father+Son+Holy Spirit=1 God (The absolute Creator Who is knowable) exist without the Bible?
Sure can.
In the same way that Zeus and Hera can exist without the Romans.
If something exists, it will exist regardless of our knowledge about it.
since when does probability determine a Deity?
Never. Probability never determines anything. If it was deterministic, there'd be no reason for probability.
But probability has something to say about it as soon as we start looking for the subject.
If you've just met someone... can he have a brother?
-Sure he can.
Can he have a brother if there's no birth certificate?
-Sure he can, pieces of paper don't stop two individuals from having a baby.
What is the probability of him having a brother when you first meet him?
-About 50/50
What is the probability if we ask him if he has a brother and he says "no"?
-maybe 10/90 or so
What is the probability if we search for any records in the right places and find none?
-maybe 1/99 or so
What is the probability if the whole world knows that he may have a brother, but no one... anywhere... has ever seen him, and when claims crop up they are shown to be hoaxes?
-maybe 1/999 999 or so
...see where this is going?
After looking into where God should be, if God were to get involved with us... and discovering that He isn't necessary or identifiable... it changes the probability.
Is the Christian God possible?
-Sure.
Is the Christian God possible without the Bible?
-Sure.
What's the probability?
-Very low... because we've looked and havn't found any dependable clues.
What's the probabiltiy if there wasn't a Bible?
-Lower still... because then even the undependable information would be less.
Why can't it just be I AM that I AM?
If the Christian God exists, He certainly exists as He is (I AM...)
But that doesn't change the fact that we've looked and found nothing... so the likelihood is therefore very low.

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Stile
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Message 71 of 106 (669827)
08-03-2012 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by ringo
08-02-2012 1:45 PM


Actually makes some sense
ringo writes:
A "perpetual Jesus" who lived forever, sitting down with publicans and sinners of every generation would be more effective than a dusty book.
Considering the phrase "and God gave up his only son..."
This suggestion of ringo's makes a lot more sense where Jesus is divided from God while here with humanity for eternity... rather than the current, confusing (and scam-like?) explanation of God "giving up" his only son in such a way that they spend eternity together...

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