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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
destroy all launching sites, all tanks and all planes. We have the capability and could do it in a matter of days. As a country who cant even feed their people, i doubt they could or would attempt to replace their weapons and would be unable to do so quickly, unless China or Russia resupplied them...which would be an unwise chess move. Why do you think that China would not intervene? North Korea as a nation is not poor. It has the resources to do almost anything it wants to do.
N.Korea has no business with that much power anyway. Why? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Look at what they do to their youth:
quote: In addition, they threaten the people of S.Korea, who are part of the global community and who deserve protection, if for no other reason than K-Pop.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but those are both simply insufficient reasons for the US to do anything militarily or to deny North Korea's rights to self defense.
We may not like their propaganda but that is no justification for US intervention.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sorry but those are both simply insufficient reasons for the US to do anything militarily or to deny North Korea's rights to self defense.[ DEFENSE,yes. I agree. But I guarantee that our involvement will come about as a result of N.Koreas OFFENSE, which they have no right asserting against S.Korea or any of our bases. N.Korea may have a right to its existence, but no more so than does S.Korea.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However what you posted was an example of US propaganda and had nothing to do with North Korea invading South Korea.
Go back and look at what you wrote in Message 47. Again, follow things through. If we are going to prevent the use of weapons then it has to be done BEFORE the use of those weapons. If North Korea has not invaded South Korea or used the weapons against South Korea then what is the justification for any US Military action directly against North Korea?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Didn't the Bush regime use "imminent threat" as a reason for going to war with Iraq? With a major military exercise (including long range stealth bombers hitting close to her borders) can't North Korea see an "imminent threat"? After all it was military exercises that North Korea used as a cover for their invasion into the south half a century ago. Why can't they prepare to defend themselves from this imminent threat and use all sorts of sabre rattling as a warning (as a number of countries do in similar circumstances?
Of course, I may think they are just totally nuts but that doesn't mean they might not have very sane reasons for their actions. The US is overwhelmingly the world's most powerful military. They have demonstrated over and over that they will use that power if it is in the interests perceived by them. Those interests have never been clearly based on altruistic motives that I can see. The various US administrations have made it very clear that they don't like North Korea so the US represents an clear and present danger to North Korea.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Yes, the first stage of a bank robbery is the easy part; walk in and say, "Stick 'em up!" we are quite good at the first stage of a war...its the next stages we are not good at. Making it profitable in the long term is the hard part. Historically, the US has been too eager to rush in without an exit strategy. This doesn't seem like a good opportunity to continue that tradition.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote:- Christopher Hill, the dean of the Joseph Korbel School of International Studies As many resources as we are investing in this situation, its wont simply go away at this point.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Josef not Joseph.
And what does any of that have to do with either reality or the topic?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: If North Korea has not invaded South Korea or used the weapons against South Korea then what is the justification for any US Military action directly against North Korea? There is no justification, and i think that the United States is acting responsibly diplomatically. China is speaking out against its ally, as well.
quote: Nearly everyone agrees that N.Korea is the one initiating conflict and acting irresponsibly. It remains to be seen who throws the first gauntlet, and if China gives us tacit approval for a limited response, I think we have the responsibility to put the little un in his place. Of course, diplomatically China wins either way.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, of course there can be sufficient justification. For example when one nation invades another nation there can be justification for the invaded nation to resist and to even request help from other nations.
But China is certainly more diplomatic than the US and very much more sophisticated. Read your quote from Xi Jinping again. It could equally apply to the US who has stationed troops and weapons on North Korea's border. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi NoNukes,
I'm not sure the president could survive an impeachment if he made that choice. But the US response need not be nuclear as long as it is thorough and disproportionate. Heh, not a surprising answer coming from the monkier NONUKES. I agree, the US has non nuclear munitions that could raise N.Korea to rubble. If N. Korea launched one of their long range rockets into the sea without a war head. I predict the US and UN condemn it once again and maintain sanctions already in place. And hopefully the N.Korean leader will see we wont be provoked into a war nor will we concede on sanctions. If N. Korea launches a missle armed into any US installation then they will have us "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war." They know that, they may be crazy but they are not stupid.I believe they will take a gamble and use this as a excuse to conduct more needed weapons test in developing their nuclear program. Sooner or later the world will have to deal with this impending reality that N.Korea will eventually obtain a long range nuclear weapon. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
They are mostly all bark and no bite, but it is only a matter of time. We need to defang them before we get bit.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I completely agree.
The problem is: how can it be done with a minimum (ideally none at all) loss of human life?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hi Phat,
Phatboy writes: They are mostly all bark and no bite, but it is only a matter of time. We need to defang them before we get bit. I think it is to late to "defang" North Korea. That opportunity passed us by back in the 1950s.The people of North Korea are so propagandized and live in such a state that it will be nearly impossible to subdue that country short of a all out offensive. History has shown such a population will not easily be subdued. Look at what happened at Okinawa Japan when the US invaded. The entire country is committed to one giant defensive weapon with hardened defensive positions throughout the interior. If US tanks rolled into North Korea, I can see it only after a tremendous joint air and naval campaign. Think Shock and Awe. Once the country was subdued we would have the same problems we had in Iraq. Insurgency, etc.. Nation building is expensive. None of which the US can afford with the current situation of our governments debts and weakened economy.This is probably exactly what China is hoping for, the US bankrupt due to our own fecklessness. Lets hope this blows over eh? "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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