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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3998 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
No, the case here is much stronger than that for reality of elves, hobbits and goblins. The dragon stories and descriptions are very similar and universal. Most dragon legends are about actual fighting the demonized beasts and it is a well known habit of the devious simian to over-demonise the enemies it massacres or wipes out completely, says the feline.
In any case the moggy would not bet heavily on the consenting quackademics getting anything right. Like Fred Hoyle rightly noted, the overall mechanism of evolution proposed by the neo-darwinian quacks is certainly nonsense of a very high order. There is no reason therefore to expect the dinosaur bit of it to be anything sensible. Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I thought you were only obsessively wrong about physics. It's nice to see you branching out.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3998 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
I am neither right nor wrong, Inadequate. I just don't share your creationist bigbangist beliefs.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
No, the case here is much stronger than that for reality of elves, hobbits and goblins. The dragon stories and descriptions are very similar and universal. Most dragon legends are about actual fighting the demonized beasts and it is a well known habit of the devious simian to over-demonise the enemies it massacres or wipes out completely, says the feline. Where are the bones? We have bones from everything back to early dinosaurs, but no dragon bones. Where are the dragon bones?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I am neither right nor wrong, Inadequate. I just don't share your creationist bigbangist beliefs. I already knew you don't know what "creationist" means, so there's nothing new to laugh at there. That's disappointing. On the other hand, it seems that you're now setting your sights on the Law Of The Excluded Middle. This could be fun to watch. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3998 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Some claim the Chinese are finding loads of dragon bones and stuff. Others say Dawkins and his gang collect the bones and now they are all hidden up his arse. They say he hides them there in order not to lose face in a debate with the intelligent designers. I don't know as I did not double-check on either claim.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Alfred Maddenstein writes: Some claim the Chinese are finding loads of dragon bones and stuff. I think you're mistaken. I have it on good authority from a swami that they're finding griffin, minotaur and unicorn bones and stuff. --Percy
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Some say that Harry is really a Hufflepuff and Slytherin destroyed the ring, but a Dovahkiin shouted it back into existence.
Some say that elves are truly men and men are truly dwarves. Some have even went so far as to say we are all actually White Walkers and Kirkwall houses the One True King."Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Some claim the Chinese are finding loads of dragon bones and stuff. If you were to do a simple web search you would find that "dragon bones" is a term the Chinese use to describe any fossil. They use them in herbal medicines. There are no real dragon bones found by paleontologists. Dragons are imaginary creatures, much like hobbits, elves, and deities.
Others say Dawkins and his gang collect the bones and now they are all hidden up his arse. They say he hides them there in order not to lose face in a debate with the intelligent designers. I don't know as I did not double-check on either claim. Your crudity says far more about you than it does about Dawkins. How can you expect anyone to take what you say seriously when that is the apex of your discussion?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Some claim the Chinese are finding loads of dragon bones and stuff. Others say Dawkins and his gang collect the bones and now they are all hidden up his arse. They say he hides them there in order not to lose face in a debate with the intelligent designers. I don't know as I did not double-check on either claim. Does it worry you at all that this is the most sensible and coherent thing you've posted?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
How can you expect anyone to take what you say seriously when that is the apex of your discussion? He refers to himself as a cat. I don't think he was ever interested in anyone taking him seriously. "Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3998 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Coy, for you a good web search might be a basis enough to believe or disbelieve anything. This is a religious approach. The cat is more scientifically inclined than that. His own or any one else's beliefs and assertions about anything do not bother him in the least. They are irrelevant in science. He needs to understand whether something is possible or not. In this case both claims are possible ones. It could be that the Chinese lie about the bones and it would not surprise anybody if the palaeontologists do.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Coy, for you a good web search might be a basis enough to believe or disbelieve anything. This is a religious approach. The cat is more scientifically inclined than that. Well, I have a little more than a web search to go on. Half my Ph.D. training was in the field of fossil man and human osteology, but it included a lot of mammalian osteology as well. I get calls about once a month to help the local Coroner identify bones, and we are always digging up bones of all sorts. Got some grizzly bear bones a couple of weeks ago. So I''m not exactly unfamiliar with the subject of osteology—as you seem to be.
His own [the cat's] or any one else's beliefs and assertions about anything do not bother him in the least. They are irrelevant in science. Beliefs and assertions are rubbish, but science has evidence and that is relevant in science. And that evidence is that there are no dragon bones! You don't believe it, all you have to do is produce evidence that there are. And you better make it good, as you are going against the informed opinions and evidence of tens of thousands of experts.
He needs to understand whether something is possible or not. In this case both claims are possible ones. It could be that the Chinese lie about the bones and it would not surprise anybody if the palaeontologists do. "Possible" is a nonsense claim. Let's stick to evidence instead. Elves, leprechauns, unicorns, and trolls are "possible" if you stretch the term, but of those critters the only one we have evidence for is trolls (this thread is proof positive that they exist).Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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So I trace your posts back and I see it stems from the question of 'where are the dragon bones?"
Don't you think the ancient Chinese found dinosaur fossils too, and that's where the dragon legends come from? Like I was talking about with the cyclops in Message 10?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Sure!
The Chinese have a long tradition of "dragon" bones. They are just fossils. Some of the Gigantopithecus teeth were found in Chinese herbal shops, if I remember correctly. But that doesn't make them dragons. If there were really dragons running around at about any time in the past we should have found bones or fossils. We haven't. Ergo, they didn't exist. More creationist wishful thinking.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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