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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
You don't get to decide what their best interests are.
BUT, I have often said that voters often vote against their best interests for a number of reasons. dronester writes:
What the people want and what they vote for and how the government treats their wants are three different matters. Health care reform for government-style sinlge payer system health care in the US WAS at 70%. So why didn't the governemnt do what we wanted? A better question might be: Why do you re-elect legislators that don't do what you want?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Damn!
Err, one of them was the BBC. (The dreaded BBC). Do I get some credit back?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Her funeral will cost the tax payers 10,000,000 dollars (are about). Should we discuss that after the service has ended?
Perhaps they should hang,draw and quarter her and pitch the heap in the Thames. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RingO writes: You don't get to decide what their best interests are. But, if their best interests intersect my best interests, there seems to be a problem. Yes?
RingO writes: A better question might be: Why do you re-elect legislators that don't do what you want? Your singing to the choir Ringo. A very odious thing many people justify their actions is because: the opposition is worse. However, when we vote for a lesser evil, it is still evil. I never have persuaded a person from voting lesser evil. If you know a way, please enlighten me.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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All of your examples are fallicious reductio ad absurdium. Reductio ad absurdum is not a fallacy. It's a legitimate form of argument, and a very valuable one. If your very vague argument would do as an excuse for people whom you do not wish to excuse (Hitler, Stalin, Vlad The Impaler) then you yourself should see that it's worthless as an excuse for people whom you do wish to excuse.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Either way it is a matter personal opinion not a point of contention. To the people whose livielihood, health, and lives she negatively affected, no, is is not JUST a point of contention. Try to look at it from the victim's point of view.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As far as I know, it's very similar to the Canadian system. My point would be that no-one (strictly speaking) voted for Thatcher at all, and only a minority voted for her party. Indeed, if one of the American parties got as small a proportion of the vote as the Conservatives did, it would be considered a crushing defeat.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Perhaps they should hang,draw and quarter her and pitch the heap in the Thames.
Too much effort for the bitch. But I likes your thought.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Fair enough.
your point is well made. I will say that I do not wish to excuse Hitler, Stalin and Vlad. I do not feel Margaret Thatcher is in the same league as those. I still feel saying rot in hell and the like at a funeral is in poor taste."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I still feel saying rot in hell and the like at a funeral is in poor taste. At the funeral, yes. But dronestar isn't at the funeral. We might argue about which comments are more over the top, but let's also take into account the time and place in which dronestar made his comments.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
To the people whose livielihood, health, and lives she negatively affected, no, is is not JUST a point of contention. Try to look at it from the victim's point of view. What would give you satisfaction?"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
I still feel saying rot in hell and the like at a funeral is in poor taste. I am starting to believe you may have a very low bar of discrimination. Since YOU brought up Hitler, IF you attended Hitler's funeral would you still be respectful and solemn? If you couldn't attend, would you respect the people who attended the funeral who showed respect? Edited by dronester, : quotes
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Fair enough. your point is well made. I will say that I do not wish to excuse Hitler, Stalin and Vlad. I do not feel Margaret Thatcher is in the same league as those. Quite. But that would have to be argued, you can't just produce a general argument that we can't judge decision-makers.
I still feel saying rot in hell and the like at a funeral is in poor taste. Well, that depends. Some people said that I exhibited poor taste by rejoicing in the death of Osama bin Laden. I do think it was poor taste in the case of Thatcher, and I believe I have said as much. It's not like she died in office, it doesn't make any difference that she's dead.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
What would give you satisfaction? I could live without ANY comment after their deaths, but miilions of tax dollars spent on war criminal's funerals? Praising their support to the 1%ers? Disregarding their actions which made the world less humane for the rest? GRRRR!
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Dr. Adequate writes: Your right. And I did just that. Quite. But that would have to be argued, you can't just produce a general argument that we can't judge decision-makers.I knew when I posted it that it was going to be ripped. I knew in my mind what I meant. (Ha ha) Have you ever been in a position that required your leadership and decisions that would affect many for good or bad. And if so how did you square that with accomplishing the mission when doing so would have ill effects on some people? Just curious."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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