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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It also says "16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name."
Note that the mark does not identify the person wearing the mark or say anything about the person wearing the mark. It says NOTHING about whether that individual has paid taxes, works, is entitled to social security... The passage is nothing but word salad and does not support your assertion in any way.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The first thing is that all the foreign suppliers of the products on Safeway's shelves would stop selling to the US.
The countries selling oil would stop selling to the US. There would be no food, no transportation to ship anything, no electric power and within 60 days the US would either be in total chaos or break up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well everyone knows that Washington DC is a city of seven hills, as is Baltimore.
Coincidence? I think unlikely. Folk that spew out end times prophecy stuff are among the best comedians ever though and always worthy of a hearty laugh.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny. So the prophecy is dependent on being ignorant. Got it.
France, England, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Czech Republic, Ireland, Estonia, Netherlands ... were also unknown at the time and so the EU is irrelevant. But it doesn't really matter. End time prophecies, particularly Revelation, is all ancient history and long past. Today end time Biblical prophecy is just fodder for laughter and jokes.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Utter bullshit from you.
Please try to support any of your assertions. Actually try to find out when some of those nations actually came to exist. When did Italy actually become the Nation of Italy? The Roman Empire and the Nation of Italy are not synonymous. One problem YOU seem to have is understanding that some of us have actually read the Bible.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bullshit.
End Time nut jobs have been saying that forever and not a single end time prophecy has ever been fulfilled. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure, I lived in both cities and can count.
Of course Revelation is irrelevant anyway since it has nothing to do with today or the future and like so many other failed Biblical prophecies just an example of the ignorance of the time. The point is that the writings of whoever was the author of Revelations was quite ignorant. While Rome was significant at the time and in that area, it was not very significant for the other great civilizations of the time like the Indus Valley, China, the Americas. Whoever wrote Revelations was talking about the small area of the world surrounding the Mediterranean and the politics of that period. But everything in Revelations would have been over more than a thousand years ago and except as another example of failed prophecy of little interest.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's not a matter of dismissing the history, no one doubts that many if not most of the Reformation writers believed Revelation to be prophecy.
But that is simply to acknowledge that they were wrong about that too.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yeah, some of the Reformation writers thought the Pope was the antichrist which again just shows how silly the politics of the period became.
Faith writes: Nevertheless, most of us expect a FINAL fulfillment of the prophecy yet to come as well, a final Antichrist, a final bloodletting of the true believers by the papacy, and then its final defeat. Sure it started out small and local but it's all over the world now and the finale will include the whole world. No one doubts that you believe that. Good luck on that.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry Faith but that is utter and complete bullshit; a collection of unsupported allegations and outright misrepresentations.
Have you ever heard of Martin Luther? Have you even read the 95 Theses? He did not see the Pope as Antichrist or even as wrong or evil and in fact reenforced both the wisdom, the holiness and the righteousness of the Pope. To help you learn, here is a translation you can read.
quote: Now granted, most of the Reformation and the creation of Protestantism was not about religion or Christianity but rather who controlled the wealth, power and territories, and in politics, demonizing the other side is a useful and successful tactic. But that had absolutely nothing to do with anything other than politics and propaganda.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but at the time Revelations was written I doubt anyone identified themselves as Italians or French or Germans or Spanish. There were Franks and Huns and Goths and Romans and many other designations but you are right about Cyprus.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Neat. Learn new things everyday. But what did the people call themselves? Was it Romans or did they use even more distinct local identifiers?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
Yes, the Protestant Reformation used the Antichrist card as political propaganda. It was just another example of power politics and had nothing to do with either reason, truth or reality. But by the 1600s the rhetoric had begun to die down and only the nut-jobs continued trying to market the Pope as Antichrist. Sure there are still folk like you and the rest of the CCoI that continue to market that nonsense and it is an easy sell, just like the "Saved" conjob. But so far no End Time prophecy has ever been fulfilled and that's unlikely to change in the future.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, you have made unsupported claims. For example; "as the papacy fits the Whore riding the beast holding the cup of the blood of the martyrs" seems like more utter nonsense.
Remember, the Pope also saw the Protestant reformers as heretics. And of course the Reformation was political and economic. It was about who would hold power, money, land, territories. It was about who could be a Prince or King, hold a job, hold office, collect taxes... The Bible was just another tool of propaganda to be rewritten and interpreted to support the position of a given Chapter of Club Christian. In fact the King James Bible was written to try to tone down the rhetoric and propaganda, to create a Bible that could be accepted by Protestant and Roman Catholic alike, that was not too offensive to either side but most of all established the Divine Rights of Kings and Princes. Considering martyrs, both sides have their lists and both sides were cruel, evil and despotic during their wars and when in power.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Come on now Faith.
If the Pope Luther wrote about was the Antichrist then the Antichrist has been dead and buried for hundreds of years and it is still just more evidence of failed prophecy. Your very own quotes show that the Antichrist stuff is just nonsense. Also Luther cannot show a single example of any Pope persecuting Jesus Christ. In fact that would be nothing more than a ludicrous and absurd claim that would make Luther just another demagog of the period. Oh wait, Luther did become just another demagog. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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