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Message 93 of 147 (702782)
07-11-2013 11:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 91 by Tangle
07-11-2013 11:45 AM

Re: Non-Human Rights
Tang writes:
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Rights are things that we decide on and then confer - which is a just a fancy way of saying we make them up at our convenience. They are not something that is out there in the world undiscovered, they arise from our own developing morality.
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That is where we are disagreeing.
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Message 98 of 147 (702797)
07-11-2013 12:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 97 by ringo
07-11-2013 12:19 PM

Re: Non-Human Rights
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Of course we do. It isn't murder if the victim is wearing a different uniform. It isn't muder if he's about to kill a child. Are you really suggesting that all homicides should be treated the same? Really?
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Okay, now make a similar argument for rape.
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07-11-2013 12:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 99 by ringo
07-11-2013 12:41 PM

Re: Non-Human Rights
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No problem. If she said, "Yes," it isn't rape. If she changes her mind and doesn't testify against hm, it isn't rape.
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What you described wasn't rape. Try again. Here's some help for you . . .
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Rape definition, the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
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Message 103 of 147 (702811)
07-11-2013 12:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 102 by onifre
07-11-2013 12:52 PM

Re: Rights of Nature
This seems right to me, I'll use 'inherent' from now on.
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07-11-2013 3:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 114 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 2:56 PM

Re: Non-Human Rights
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But the danger is not the cliff edge.
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Hmmm. I think I NOW know what you're saying. Allow me to explain this to Oni using Ringo's previously clear example to me.
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"When it's dangerous near a cliff edge, it is dangerous. When it's not dangerous near a cliff edge, it is not dangerous."
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There, done and done.
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Message 118 of 147 (702837)
07-11-2013 4:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 117 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 3:40 PM

Re: Non-Human Rights
Sorry Tempe.
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But, I think you, Ringo and CS are trying so hard to discredit the 'innate' or 'inherent' rights argument, that, IMO, evidence is sounding forced or ridiculous. Look where the topic has gone to:
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You wrote several strained paragraphs of "cliffs are dangerous . . . or not"
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Ringo is writing 'compelling' rebuttals such as "When it's lawful it's lawful and when it's unlawful it's unlawful."
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CS is writing on-and-on about a weed-free garden.
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07-11-2013 4:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 119 by New Cat's Eye
07-11-2013 4:24 PM

Ma! Pa! Get the dang black-flag!
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Are you ever going to get anything right?
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No time to explain now CS, . . . Look! There's another wasp family building a nest out yonder to yer weeding shed. Why, that there behavior is jst ask'n fer anoth'r 'murderin!'
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Message 146 of 147 (703492)
07-23-2013 9:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 137 by Rahvin
07-22-2013 4:48 PM

Re: Agreement
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The Egyptians, in fact, used simple sand and rocks of a particularly hard mineral whose name immediately escapes me to cut stone blocks for their monuments.
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I believe dolomite.
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