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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But the FACT of the ordering of the fossil record is itself an observation, and one that YECs have failed to explain. Nevertheless, ALL you have is this observation and your interpretation of it and that is not science, it's hypothesis at best, untested, unproved. You have nothing replicable or testable, you have only your conjecture. There are other facts about the geologic column that are far better explained by the worldwide flood that need to be put up against your interpretation of the fossil order. Nobody is talking about "proven beyond all doubt," we're talking about replicability and testability. Your entire theory is nothing BUT theory, conjecture, period. You have no REAL evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah the order of the fossil record appears to be consistent, but that's not testability. You need something outside the fossil record that validates your interpretation. The Flood explanation has more testability than that, since layers do form in water.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Remarkable how the evos bring the Bible into this discussion when all I've brought into it is scientific considerations.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've brought up the Flood in terms of the evidence for it, not the source of the idea.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah jar we can have that argument again I suppose, but all I said was that I brought up the Flood in terms of the evidence for it, which is the case whether you think there is evidence for it or not.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course I've given evidence, the main evidence being the very fact of the layers of separate sediments themselves, which is far easier explained in terms of what water does than in terms of millions of years to lay down each separate layer. Which is absurd.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't "assume" it, I conclude it to be so because any other explanation makes no sense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
THE Flood was not "A flood," it was something that never happened before or since and it's ridiculous to try to compare it to any lesser flood. It was a rising of the OCEAN covering all the continents (or the one huge continent at that time anyway), involving ocean currents and waves and the fact that ocean water is naturally layered anyway. The ocean carries things in its layers and currents and waves and deposits them on land, this is everyday knowledge. It would have had an enormous baggage of pulverized sediments as a result of the saturation of the land. Etc. etc. etc.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
worldwide strata is evidence of a worldwide flood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh right, compare a worldwide flood with what happens in a jug in your backyard. What YOU need to think about is what OCEANS do, which I just described up a few posts. Jug indeed!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nonsensical comparison. The strata are too uniform to be the result of separate incidents. Not identical, uniform.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Obviously it happened a lot faster than you would expect it to happen, that's all. I don't have a question how the boulder broke off -- that was due to the friction between the layers when the lower ones were tilted up against the upper layer by the volcanic eruption beneath, during the Flood period, and of course the sandstone in which the boulder is embedded was scraped off mostly from the layer above, still wet of course, and was solidified along with all the other layers in the whole column. That's my theory. The theory by Paul Garner's group is that a very rough slurry abraded the tilted layers during the Flood, but the tilted layers were there already. The only question I have had is why that particular layer became quartzite when the layers on both sides of it aren't metamorphosed.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't feel like going out of my way for someone who calls me intellectually dishonest. And I don't much care if this thread is way off topic either, because the Admins don't seem to care and the original topic is silly anyway.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, that kind of accusation will really earn you points. With everybody else here but me of course. Lawlessness abounds at EvC forum these days, in more ways than one.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The sandstone had to have been scraped off something, it's part of the belt that's always described as erosion. The layer above is sandstone.
The volcano would have provided both heat and pressure forcing the tilting of the lower layers up against the upper layers, enough to metamorphose the lower rocks. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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