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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3628 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined:
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Blue writes: God is judging the wicked because God permitted their life. 'I'll save you if you believe' is a strange way to run a universe. You're on a lifeboat picking up survivors from a maritime disaster. Do you ask them to believe your boat is seaworthy before extending them an oar? No. You haul them aboard. If an all-powerful deity wants to rescue everyone, they're rescued. The 'you must believe' talk doesn't sound like a cosmic deity. It sounds like human beings trying to sell something to other human beings. ___ Edited by Archer Opteryx, : brevityArcher O All species are transitional.
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Blue Inactive Member |
I agree. It is not an easy thing to support. It is argumentative. It is more difficult to support something from nothing. No matter which way you spin atheism this is inevitably the claim. I find that it is far more easier to accept that God would like people to follow his laws on faith that God exists. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of science suggesting God does exist. The first is a material universe can't of come from nothing as noted above. Dr Hugh Ross, physicist and pastor has a very good argument uniting a bb inflationary universe with the Bible. He also has a good argument that Genesis 1 fits modern day scientific discovery. The only discrepency is where does the creation story start in Gen 1:1 or Gen 1:3? When you realize science does support the Bible (as per ross' argument) there is little ground to dismiss the Bible except in moral arguments which can't prove God does not exist but instead just that you don't like God's (biblical god) morals. If the creation story does start in Gen 1:1 as prior to day 1 on earth, then it is remarkable people so far removed got it right. They wrote it down before we scientifically discovered it. Hence why it does take more faith to accept something from nothing. In another argument the electric universe argues we have no idea if gravitational theories are correct falsifying inflation. Ultimately there is no reason except disagreements with morality to hate on the Bible which like I said doesn't show God doesn't exist but rather God is holy.
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Blue Inactive Member |
How God thinks and what God does is up to God. Apparently it was important for man to build a home for God on earth (hence why land is important). It is arguable that a God shouldn't need man to build God a home on earth. However this is precisely the argument. I would argue God does want man to build him a home on earth, it would show that man has a great desire to be with God. It would show that man does love God.
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
Bump.
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
I realize other people read the forums. I think it is pretty normal to question faith hence the word "faith". Personally I like the idea of questioning everything.
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
Tangle, I am responding from my cell often so I tend to get annoyed when texting a response. I will try to be clear.
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
I don't agree with the YEC on biblical literature. I'm more of a electric universe supporter in science and in theology I agree a lot with Dr Hugh Ross.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Blue writes:
You said, "Try to figure out a way for it to make sense...." You seem to be willing to twist what the text actually says to make it "make sense". You don't seem willing to accept the possibility that maybe it just doesn't make sense.
I didn't say I was twisting the text that is your words.
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Blue Inactive Member |
No I'm not aware that others are reading this forum.
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
Ref to the first law in ex 21. It is the foundation of the law you speak about. The context of my prior post was for YOU. You seem to hate on the Bible and tend to ignore the original context of messages in the Bible. You even forgot to mention in lev 25 it is referring to heathen.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Blue writes:
"Understanding the Bible" doesn't just mean memorizing a lot of apologetics in an attempt to make it "make sense". The first thing you need to understand is that it's a book written by men and copied by men and redacted by men and translated by men, so there's room for human error. And since it's literature it's more likely to be literate than literal.
The context of that message was for you because you clearly don't understand the bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Blue writes:
So you're saying that by Biblical moral standards, slavery is preferable to genocide.
In leviticus 25 44-46 it is referring to heathen (pagans). In those days pagans were killed by jews because they are considered evil.
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Blue Inactive Member |
If God is perfect the Bible is perfect. I haven't memorized apologetics. I'm arguing points from my personal vantage. You have to be able to distinguish a person agreeing with what others say vs those following what others say. I read very little from apologetic websites. I believe in asking God before asking people.
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Blue Inactive Member |
I'm saying if God says it's law it is law. I will argue this point long before I argue if man says it's law it is law. You do realize Hitler was atheist right?
Sincerely Blue
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Blue Inactive Member |
If man is ultimately where all things stem, in morality, then clearly religion is not the issue.
Sincerely Blue
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