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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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They're not things we would reasonably expect the Flood to produce.
I think this is important. If we see rocks in the geological record that can easily be explained by mainstream geology and observable processes, why would we rely on a myth (at least partly supernatural) and never-observed processes for an accepted explanation? Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I wish you'd keep track of whom I'm responding to and the context in which I'm responding. Tuff's not being an intrusive rock IS irrelevant within the context defined.
Well, the tuffs would be one of them...Sorry if I missed other relevant examples you say you posted besides the Cardenas.' Try post #381. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
Thank you for clearing that up. Yes, materially to this discussion, they are no different from lava flows. I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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I think that the more important point is the the Flood can't reasonably account for them. Even ignoring the obvious problems that Faith wants to dismiss, the scale and variety of geological structures argue against a single short event accounting for everything. And when we consider the fossils we can't ignore the ordering, or the absence of so many familiar species from strata we should expect to contain them if the Biblical account was even remotely true.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
dup
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
And within my very carefully defined understanding of The Geologic Column they are, the only exception THAT I'M AWARE of being the Cardenas. Sorry if I've missed others but I don't remember them. All the tuffs are NOT in The Geo Column AS I DEFINE IT. That WAS the context whether you like it or not.
I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that. And you would be wrong.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They are exactly what the Flood and ONLY the Flood COULD produce.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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And within my very carefully defined understanding of The Geologic Column they are, ...
Then I'd love to hear your explanation of why we find fossil tree branches in some tuffs...
... the only exception THAT I'M AWARE of being the Cardenas. Sorry if I've missed others but I don't remember them. All the tuffs are NOT in The Geo Column AS I DEFINE IT.
And yet, there they are. Clearly depicted as part of a 'geological column', regardless of how you define it.
That WAS the context whether you like it or not.
You don't seem to get the gist of the message here. It is relevant because it proves you wrong. Oh, wait...
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
They are exactly what the Flood and ONLY the Flood COULD produce.
Please document. How about an example of something that only the flood would produce. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: I guess that you are going to have to explain how your definition of "The Geologic Column" can include intrusive igneous rocks and exclude tuffs. And why anyone would adopt such a definition. Here's your claim again:
All this stuff about the igneous rocks came up way back when I said they aren't part of the geologic column as I envision it and that when they are seen there it is as intrusives, or dikes and sills.
It certainly seems to me that your definition ought to include tuffs.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If the tuffs are one of your examples then they are not examples of what I was talking about within the context given, as I SAID. The tuffs do NOT occur within what I've been calling The Geo Column, and what I've been calling the Geo Column IS the context. The Cardenas Basalt, again, remains the ONLY example that DOES fit my definition.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: I asked you to explain why they are excluded. There is no explanation there, just an assertion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I am not asking anyone to adopt my definition of the Geo Column, it may turn out in the end that I have to give it up anyway, but I AM asking that at least you all follow the argument and stay within the defined context. The tuffs simply happen to occur outside the area I'm calling the Geo Column, but obviously I have to fit them into the Flood scheme somehow anyway, which I'd be happy to try to do if everybody would stop trying to impose definitions on me that aren't mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT I HAD IN MIND. SHEESH.
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