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herebedragons Member (Idle past 887 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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I have allowed myself to hope that maybe somebody here, just one person, one of the posters or a lurker, doesn't matter, would just recognize the truth in what I'm saying, just "get it" but that isn't going to happen is it? Sounds like you need to sign up at Evolution Fairytale Forum. Those people over there will "get it" and you will only have maybe one or two who disagree with you at a time - and they will get banned after a little while anyway. So here's the link ....
Evolution Fairytale Forum You would fit right in over there. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not interested in fitting in or preaching to the choir. But I must say it's extremely disappointing to find so many "Christians" here who really aren't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which fails to explain the faults at the left that do not go up through the upper layers, just as we would expect to happen if those upper layers had been laid down after the faulting on the left occurred. There is only one layer that could be true of, and that's the layer at the top, the one labeled "base tertiary." All the layers below that -- or let's say most because there are some that don't -- extend completely across from left to right. The one called Albian does and the lower one with the wavy top and bottom does, and those had to have been laid down before the faults that cut through them, which shows all the layers were in place when the faulting occurred -- ALL the faults, the faults that go from bottom to top and the faults that don't.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 887 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
You really don't know anything about me to judge whether I am a "Christian" or not except that I think your ideas about the flood, science and Biblical interpretation are ridiculous.
Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't name any names HBD but your attitude toward me is proof enough that what I said applies to you too. I can hold out some slim hope that you are saved nevertheless but the way you dismiss the standard understanding of the Bible doesn't bode well. I don't need to know you personally. It's one's view of the Bible that tells me who is a Christian or not.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I have allowed myself to hope that maybe somebody here, just one person, one of the posters or a lurker, doesn't matter, would just recognize the truth in what I'm saying, just "get it" but that isn't going to happen is it? No, it isn't going to happen. You are preaching belief without evidence. How can you convince anyone doing that? To make matters worse, all of your preaching is being refuted using that evidence you neither understand nor accept. You are doing exactly what St. Augustine warned against: Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. You are the poster-child for St. Augustine's writing. And you expect to convince anyone?????Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've answered your accusation many times coyote. There are still people n the world whose "ears to hear" can be opened. I was as blind and deaf as all of you once.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 887 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
My attitude towards YOU ??????? Well go right ahead and judge me and so heap judgement upon yourself.
Good day.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The attitude I'm talking about is in the post I was responding to. Good grief.
But also in sarcastic remarks you've made that align yourself with the opposition here.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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The theology is, of course, off topic.
quote: And you make a lot of claims without diagrams. Nor do you respect the limits of the diagrams you do produce. But even worse here you are complaining that people actually look at parts of the diagrams you don't want them to look at and see evidence you don't want them to see. Look, expecting people who disagree with you to be biased in favour of your beliefs is ridiculous. But here you are complaining because that expectation isn't met.
quote: Given the confused and vague nature of many of your arguments, it's hard to believe that you want anyone to "get it".
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
And then there is the constant refrain that I provide no evidence for my assertions. But my assertions are just a way of saying "Look!" Just "look for yourself," the evidence is right there, on the cross sections etc. I point something out, but instead of looking you point something else out.
Just for the record, I"m stating that, "Just look!" is not evidence. Furthermore, wrong. We do look at what you are saying and it never changes. It's all nonsense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If I didn't occasionally run into sane people in this world, EvC could do me in. You (collective) can't read, you can't think, you can't understand the simplest communication, you go for the least likely interpretation of almost any subject, you prefer the most twisted upside-down view to anything sensible. EvC is just a little backwater part of the internet but unfortunately it is a microcosm of the craziest views that are gaining ground in the world, which I think is what the Bible calls the Great Delusion that's coming on the earth in the last days, and a place to find out that it's impervious to sanity and reason. Why a SCIENCE website? Well that's a puzzle but there it is. A place where good is evil and evil is good and white is black and black is white and bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter and sanity is insanity and insanity is sanity and rationality is irrationality and irrationality is rationality and up is down and down is up ...
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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...and isn't it amazing that only you get it Faith. Just you with no training or education have been able to disprove all the sciences the world has been woking on for 200 years. All of geology gone, all of palaeontology, gone, great chunks of Physics and astronomy, gone. biology and genetics gone. And all without leaving your chair.
The great sadness is that no-one else can see it. All those scientists that have spent their lives studying their subjects in exquisite and painful detail, have missed what's right their in front of their faces and only you can see it. Millions of them over generations. Strange too how those sciences manage to convert their knowledge into practical technologies that seem to work out despite their misguided views. Genius!Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Your hate for honesty and truth are noted.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I would have thought scientists were thinkers who could get some things right, but the problem seems to be that we're in a time when it takes God and if you've rejected God you can't think straight. I'm not special, I'm no genius, but I find that most of the people who can think straight any more just happen to be those who trust the Bible as God's word. Most of the Christians who come on to EvC compromise the Bible in one way or another. And of course you laugh at those who take it seriously anyway. But that's the only source of truth there is in the end.
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