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Message 7 of 60 (740011)
10-30-2014 7:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
10-30-2014 5:09 PM

deism?
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"Agnostic Theism"from Secular Religion:
As an Agnostic Theist, I hold to the belief that knowing GOD is inherently impossible; we can only define, at most, what we believe about GOD.
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... I've noticed, lately, though a strong desire to strengthen my belief and faith as things go well in my life. A part of me wants to embrace this desire and make stronger proclamations about what I believe in and what I think can be known or said about the GOD I believe in and other religious notions. At the same time, a logical part of me realizes that doing this would be rather hypocritical: to have strong faith in good times and weaker faith in worse times. So, I have resisted this urge on the premise that it would be wrong to give into it. ...
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Sound similar to my agnostic deist position ...
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Message 34 of 60 (740240)
11-03-2014 10:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
11-03-2014 2:05 AM

Re: Knowable versus Unknowable
Evidence Schmevidence. The whole idea of faith and belief excludes evidence as an option.
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But evidence that contradicts belief indicates the belief is invalid, and continuing to hold the belief can be delusional.
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Belief in a young earth for example (Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1).
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However absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Logically the rational position is open-minded skepticism.
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11-03-2014 6:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 35 by Phat
11-03-2014 10:36 AM

doubt vs assurity
But is this healthy for a believer? After all, a believer has already taken the plunge. Its one thing to question and another to doubt.
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Yes, I think it is healthy for a believer - there should always be an element of doubt, it helps keep you humble and it holds you back from being a pompous arrogant bigoted flatulence.
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11-04-2014 5:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
11-04-2014 11:36 AM

Re: doubt vs assurity
So, in your opinion, is there never any point at which a person could say yes, this is it, this is the truth and I'm staking my life on it?
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Curiously, I actually wondered if you would respond to this.
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Yes, I am absolutely sure that you cannot ever be absolutely sure .
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In all honesty, the best you can say imho is that you believe {X} is absolutely true, and that there is the possibility, however remote, that you could be wrong. In Buddhist belief ALL is illusion.
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We learn what we can, we piece it together into a framework that is our world-view, and new information is then pitted against that world-view to see if it is consilient or contrary, and we naturally distrust contrary information more than consilient information (innate confirmation bias), and the problem is, that contrary information could be (more) correct.
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Message 45 of 60 (740410)
11-04-2014 5:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 43 by ringo
11-04-2014 12:01 PM

chocolate vs strawberry
Q: Which is better? Chocolate or strawberry?
A: Chocolate.
Q: Okay.
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But you can question further: what about chocolate covered strawberries?
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11-06-2014 9:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
11-05-2014 3:20 AM

Re: doubt vs assurity
... I figured you had me in mind with your "arrogant flatulence" line.
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If the shoe fits wear it ... but there are others Faith.
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The demons they contact in meditation tell them that. Keeps people away from Christ.
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Are you absolutely sure of that?
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Message 52 of 60 (740597)
11-06-2014 9:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 47 by ringo
11-05-2014 11:31 AM

Re: chocolate vs strawberry
RAZD writes:
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But you can question further: what about chocolate covered strawberries?
Chocolate-covered strawberries come after plain strawberries but before cashews.
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Are we talking chocolate dipped strawberries or fully coated? Are the cashews dipped in chocolate or sprinkled on top of the chocolate coated strawberries? And where does vanilla ice cream fit in all of this ...
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11-06-2014 5:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 56 by ringo
11-06-2014 11:08 AM

Re: chocolate vs strawberry
The higher the chocolate-to strawberry ratio the better (though there may be a practical upper limit).
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For me the strawberry content would be best at homeopathic concentrations. I have developed an aversion due to having too much artificial strawberry flavoring forced on me as a child. This also has affected me in the way I see pink.
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I don't like cashews so they're pretty close to the bottom of the list. ...
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Nicely roasted they can enhance a number of dishes (one is an 8-jewel duck where they are one of the jewels), but I don't care much for them raw.
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Chocolate is necessary to my spiritual well-being ...
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Must have vitamin chocolate.
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But are we talking real chocolate and not the milked down version? Have you gone to the dark side? A small piece resting on your tongue is bliss.
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I considered saying vanilla instead of cashews. It's above cashews but below strawberries.
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Of course it has to be real vanilla bean vanilla ...
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Enjoy
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