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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No. If crime is punished by a society it isn't going to pull down God's wrath because the society is doing the right thing. It's when society does the wrong thing that it is punished.
But an increase in crime could certainly be a sign of the end times, that's something else.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: No. If crime is punished by a society it isn't going to pull down God's wrath because the society is doing the right thing. It's when society does the wrong thing that it is punished. But an increase in crime could certainly be a sign of the end times, that's something else. You realise that those two sentences contradict each other?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No there is no contradiction. I'm making a simple distinction: the cause of God's judgment (a society doing the wrong thing, such as not punishing crime or punishing good people) is different from the effect of God's judgment (the proliferation of crime).
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Hm. Nothing about gay marriage there. I guess you must be wrong.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In other words I am neither as abusive nor as dishonest as you.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Faith writes: No. If crime is punished by a society it isn't going to pull down God's wrath because the society is doing the right thing. It's when society does the wrong thing that it is punished.But an increase in crime could certainly be a sign of the end times, that's something else. That makes no sense. According to the Bible's idea of sinning I'm a world class sinner and yet I'm happier than I've every been. I'll be a father soon, we are moving into a new house and we can both afford to work part time and spend quality time with the new arrival. Yet I've lived in sin, had sex before marriage, masturbated like mad, I've been jealous, covertous, I've taken your god's name in vain, yet it's all comming up Larni. Why has God not smote me, in his mercy? Where is his wrath? Edited by Larni, : No reason given.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Well, there you have it, the perfect reversal of good for evil and evil for good that is THE sign of the last days. Like we haven't heard that for the last 2,000 years. How many times have people proclaimed that we are in the end days?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: No there is no contradiction. I'm making a simple distinction: the cause of God's judgment (a society doing the wrong thing, such as not punishing crime or punishing good people) is different from the effect of God's judgment (the proliferation of crime). That makes no sense either. However, punishment of crime in society is not at issue here. What I'm saying is that crime has fallen in all modern societies in absolute terms. If it had risen you would claim that is was a sign of the end times. But you can't, you have to hang onto silly 'sins' like gay marriage whilst ignoring real sins like murder and theft. You really need to think about what this fall means to your beliefs - it's not a small amount, it's thousands of % and over centuries.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
No. If crime is punished by a society it isn't going to pull down God's wrath because the society is doing the right thing. It's when society does the wrong thing that it is punished. Let's see . . . humans are living longer and healthier lives than they ever have before. Rates of childhood mortality have plummeted. We have never been under less threat from infectious diseases than now. If this is punishment, I say we do even more wrong things.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Yes I am that important. No ... you ... aren't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where did I say anything to imply that you should expect to be punished? I'm talking about society as a whole coming increasingly under God's judgment for an accumulation of sins BY society over a long period of time.
Of course if you don't repent and believe in Christ you WILL eventually be punished. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
D.P. Sorry about this.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But it's crazy and you know it to take my guess at months to a year as something hard and fast. But it's what you said. So now you're saying "it's crazy and you know it" to think that you believe what you said. That was my point, Faith, that was my point. Also, that it's crazy and you know it.
Why don't you propose this wager in specific terms and name your bet. It's your paranoid fantasy, you haven't said exactly what terrible thing will happen in "months to a year". Christianity will be made illegal? You'll all be herded into FEMA death camps? It's your fantasy. The nearest you've got is "In Nazi Germany things built up behind the scenes for a while and then it seemed to all come together all of a sudden". I bet you $100 that in "months to a year" America will not resemble Nazi Germany.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
D.P.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Where did I say anything to imply that you should expect to be punished? I'm talking about society as a whole coming increasingly under God's judgment for an accumulation of sins BY society over a long period of time. And yet society keeps getting better. We are curing more diseases, living longer, living better . . . if that is increasing judgment, keep it coming. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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