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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't read it as evidence for homosexual relationship, just for homosexual desire.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a matter of personal conscience, as you well know, their having a right to their conscience. Not YOUR conscience, THEIR conscience.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: The homoerotic content, for a start. Not to mention the quotes already provided. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, you win.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
...this is an issue between them and their Creator or higher conscience.
As expressed by Madison in A Memorial and Remonstrance. That quote you repeated was at the end of the first of 15 enumerated remonstrations that Madison made in that pamphlet (written in order to oppose Patrick Henry's proposed bill, "A Bill establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion," which would have supported Christian clergy with tax money). Here it is in its entirety:
quote: Rights of Conscience. Madison even included that very wording in earlier drafts of the First Amendment, but it was not approved. Still, that does indicate his original intent (the Almighty buzzword of in the 80's of the Radical Religious Right as it began revising American history). Edited by dwise1, : Forgot to fill the qs
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Lol
How is that different than the other examples. They were a matter of the supporters conscience. So once again Faith, how are the examples different?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Supposedly we have freedom of conscience. You do not get to define somebody else's conscience.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
Nor have a tried to do so. Now how are the examples different?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
That's another big fat lie. He was an oppressive dictator by any modern and ancient definition.
James asserted the divine right of kings as antidote to the Pope's claim to be boss over kings as well as everybody else. In his own words he believed that Kings came into existence before laws did, so Kings were primary over the law. He believed that therefore parliaments should only be held for new laws, and consequentially he dissolved the government and became the supreme executive, legislative and judicial leader of England, with only the nobles to check his power.
And he was hardly the great tyrant you make him out to be. He was the autocrat of England and Scotland. He believed the divine right meant that parliament was nearly inconsequential, and he derided it as a bad idea to begin with. He passed his beliefs on to his children, and this resulted in civil war.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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But the contemporary claim didn't quite accuse him of homosexuality anyway, just of unseemly behavior.. quote:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You SEEM to win anyway.
Here's what is said about Stephen A. Coston who has written extensively to try to answer the claims of James' homosexuality, who calls today's historians revisionist and incompetent. If I ever read his books I'll let you know my final conclusion.
A surprising number of works exist about His Majesty King James VI of Scotland & I of England, some for James and some against. Yet a number of the ones against James, these works forged like swords from the minds of sex obsessed revisionist historians, pseudo historical authors who lack even the grammatical knowledge to understand the definitions of the terms King James used in his letters & works, pierce the minds of the unsuspecting causing a false image of this King.
These modern authors for the most, part bang away at their typewriters and word processors rehashing the hateful & racist works of Anthony Weldon and his like against this just King. Stephen A. Coston SR. deposits into this so-called scholarly arena of defective swords and hammers generated of late by pseudo historians the Anvil Of Truth concerning King James VI & I. In this volume "King James VI & I And Papal Opposition" Coston dispels the myth held by some of King James being a crypto Catholic, and documents James' disputes with the Pope of Rome. Additional source materials from King James and his contemporaries are sited and quoted from in length & detail, works not previously included in Coston's book "King James VI & I Unjustly Accused". Coston also details the danger James and his subjects faced in opposing the mighty religious empire of Rome and its head the Pope.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes he would be guilty of that sin.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
I showed an example of the law in Message 989
Here's the question again.
If the laws compelling commercial bakers to provide wedding cakes to gays are unconstitutional, why are the same laws constitutional when banning segregation? Both are religious principles held by Christians (to be generous to you). Why is it acceptable to penalise one but not the other?
Are you going to answer it ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Is there any reason to consider Coston a reliable source ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Is there any reason to believe that anybody is a reliable source at this point?
The upshot of this discussion is that I do not believe anybody about any of it. There are vested interests on both sides.
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