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Eyewitness To Jesus? The Gospel Authors

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 20 of 107 (75568)
12-29-2003 6:30 AM 		Reply to: Message 7 by Rrhain
12-28-2003 6:38 PM

But Ya'aqob could just as easily be translated as "Jacob" rather than "James" ...
Gosh, and 'James' is such a good Jewish name ...
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By the way, those interested should be aware of this from BAR.
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Message 21 of 107 (75570)
12-29-2003 7:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by judge
12-28-2003 7:52 PM

Re: 1 John chapt 1
Rrhain: But 1 John wasn't written until decades after the fact. It certainly wasn't an eyewitness account.
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Judge: I'd have to disagree here. I don't know how much plainer it could be written..."we saw Him...we touched him "
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Udo Schnelle, in The History and Theology of the New Testament Writings, clearly rejects the idea of John as an eyewitness and dates his gospel to 100-110 CE.
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12-29-2003 7:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 26 by judge
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Re: 1 John chapt 1
Can you cite his reasons?
Yes.
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BTW this is 1 John not the gospel of John
I stand corrected. Incidently, Schnelle writes: "Language, the world of theological concepts presupposed, and the different situation point to the conclusion that I John and the Gospel are by different authors."
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12-29-2003 10:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by sfs
12-29-2003 9:53 PM

You're suggesting the gospels were written by non-Christians?
No, s/he was suggesting that there exists no 'EMPTY TOMB' narrative firmly dated to the 1st century CE. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
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12-29-2003 10:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 31 by sfs
12-29-2003 10:25 PM

The gospels are tradionally dated to mid to late 1st century. They are dated by virtually all contemporary scholars (of whatever religous persuasion) to late first century, or possibly (in the case of John) very early 2nd century.
Udo Schnelle, for example, dates Mark to 70 CE, Matthew and Luke to 90 CE, and John to between 100 and 110 CE.
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