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Author Topic:   The Search for Moderate Islam
Coyote
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Message 277 of 432 (746935)
01-10-2015 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by jar
01-10-2015 7:36 PM


Re: Just a guess; she wasn't Amish...
I'd guess the source is the United States. Do I win a prize?
Yes, you win a prize.
It is not one you'd like to win though, and if you were still in school you'd be sitting on a stool in the corner.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Coyote
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Message 289 of 432 (747027)
01-11-2015 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by caffeine
01-11-2015 2:30 PM


Re: Just a guess; she wasn't Amish...
Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Coyote
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Message 298 of 432 (747546)
01-15-2015 10:22 PM


When Islamic Radicals Turn Moderate
When Islamic Radicals Turn Moderate : Parallels : NPR
After last week's Paris shootings that targeted an irreverent political magazine and Jews in a kosher grocery store, there's been a flood of stories about the dangers of Muslim radicalization and how it happens.
What about people who go the other way, from extremist to moderate? These people exist; the U-turn happens.
...
His transformation from jihadi to moderate came after he got out of jail and went through what he calls a long and painful spiritual journey. He began to question religious teachings, "the rote manner in which we Muslims are fed our religion."
World leaders march in Paris on Sunday to honor victims of the attacks in France. Some of those who have been critical of the attacks have a mixed record on press freedom and human rights at home.
Now, he's a harsh critic of any interpretation of Islam, including Saudi Arabia's ultraconservative creed. He calls for an Islamic reformation, especially in Saudi Arabia, where he's been denounced as an infidel and he gets regular death threats by email and on his phone.
Here's your moderate. I really hope he survives and spreads his ideas.
But if I were a life insurance agent I'd tell him to come back in a decade or two and then, maybe, I'd consider writing him a policy.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

  
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Message 320 of 432 (747736)
01-18-2015 10:51 PM


What about looking at people who were born into that culture and who have managed to escape:
One example is Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She speaks out on Islam's treatment of women.
Of course she is reviled by much of Islam and by American leftists.
Such is the typical treatment of those who dare speak out against Islam's abuses.
Seems like there are too many radicals and their sycophants and too few moderates.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

  
Coyote
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Message 321 of 432 (747916)
01-20-2015 8:19 PM


Bring in the moderates!
Suppose Islam Had a Holocaust and No One Noticed
Suppose Islam Had a Holocaust and No One Noticed - Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish articles
While Western newspapers were debating whether or not to reprint the Mohammed cartoons, in Nigeria as many as 2,000 people were massacred by the Islamic State in Nigeria, also known as Boko Haram, in what is being called the deadliest attack by the Muslim group to date.
Survivors described the Islamic State setting up efficient killing teams and massacring everyone
while shouting Allahu Akbar. "For five kilometers (three miles), I kept stepping on dead bodies until I reached Malam Karanti village, which was also deserted and burnt," one survivor said.
There’s a word for that. It’s genocide.
The Islamic State in Nigeria had reportedly managed to kill 2,000 people last year. This year they did it in one week. But we don’t pay much attention to what happens in Nigeria unless there’s a hashtag. No one has yet thought up a clever hashtag for the murder of 2,000 people. #Bringbackourdead doesn’t really work.
The Islamic State’s next target is Maiduguri, the largest city in Borno with a population of over a million. Known as the Home of Peace, if Maiduguri falls, the death toll will be horrific.
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Coyote
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Message 417 of 432 (755814)
04-11-2015 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by Modulous
04-11-2015 9:50 PM


I haven't been in this thread for a long time, but...
Why should we be concerned with "moderate Islam?"
They aren't the ones blowing things up and chopping off heads.
Nor are they able to prevent the other Islam from blowing things up and chopping off heads.
We could wish that they were more numerous, or more influential, but "if wishes were fishes..."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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