The Search for Moderate Islam

Faith, in the US it was actually Christians, lots of Christian, mainly Southern Baptists that spearheaded the movement to decriminalize abortion not just one plaintiff.

Maybe if we stopped overreacting and trying to impose our will by force there might be fewer acts of terrorism.But have there been any acts of Islamic terrorism that were a real threat to the US?

How utterly sad that you find those a threat to the US.Even if all had succeeded would they have threatened the continuation of the US?I have a little more faith in reality. When much of London was destroyed during the Blitz did it threaten the continuation of Great Britain? Is the US so weak and insignificant that the destruction of two buildings and damage to a third threatens its existence?Certainly it is a tragedy but to claim it was a threat to the US simply makes the US look pathetic.

LOLPerhaps that is what you suggest, but I have never made such a stupid suggestion.But maybe in your wisdom you might be right.

Sorry but that is just another example of you misrepresenting what I have said. Shock and awe was utterly stupid in relation to 9-11 and yes, our method of response was not just not very good, it was stupid. A military invasion of Afghanistan did absolutely nothing over the long term except what certainly was obvious even before it started, a long protracted waste of human lives and sorely needed funds. Our invasion of Iraq was totally unrelated to 9-11 and by any reasonable standards immoral as well as another waste of US lives and money. While shock and awe seems dumb, a focused use of power would have been a very reasonable option. Not to mention starting to rebuild the US infrastructure. Nonsense. Had we taken one tenth of the money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and used it as foreign aid to promote education, jobs, health care and infrastructure in Palestine and Afghanistan it would have done far more to help keep the US safe.Few people fear the US, lots hate it.

I believe your analysis of public opinion is probably correct. Sad, isn't it.But the loss of American lives in 9-11 pales when compared to the over 57,000 US casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq. And that also does not include the casualties other than US Military personnel resulting from those actions.

What would the PC position be for al Jazeera?

What we need to understand as citizens of the United States of America is that even radical Islam is no where near as great a threat to US lives, wealth and freedom as is the US Congress, Executive branch and of course the SCOTUS.9-11 was a tragedy, almost 3000 US lives lost but our government's response to the incident resulted in over 50,000 US casualties so far. The total number of non-US casualties from the US response to 9-11 is well into the hundreds of thousands of individuals.Yes, the US is threatened but mostly by us, by how we react, by our ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : or ---> our

There you go again Faith, making the utterly silly mistakes just as you do with Christianity; you pay attention to what some author said Islam asserts just like you listen to the lying apologetics called Pastor or Brother or Bishop in the Christian Cult of Ignorance instead of actually check to see if they really are lying to you.We can tell that you do not read the Bible or believe what the Bible actually says so I have to ask, have you ever read the Qur'an or like the Bible do you just get your "facts" from the CCoI Snake Oil Salesmen?

But Faith, I have checked it out. I have read the Qur'an.You can prove almost anything by "quote-mining" whether it is what the CCoI Snake Oil salesmen do with the Bible or with the Qur'an.And you still did not answer the questions.Have you eve actually read the Bible?Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Have you ever actually read the Qur'an?

Too funny.You still haven't answered the questions.Have you eve actually read the Bible?Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Have you ever actually read the Qur'an?It's not a matter of what I think the writings say but rather (just as with the Bible) what is actually written.

No one has make the claim that all religions are basically the same (but the Trinity of Islam, Judaism and Christianity all are based on worshiping the same God and on the same stories).BUT it is true, thank Allah, that in the US all religions have the same rights. That is what our Constitution guarantees.Have you ever read the Constitution Faith?Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

LOLActually they were very familiar with Islam.But you still have only posted your propaganda and never bothered to answer the questions:Have you eve actually read the Bible?Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Have you ever actually read the Qur'an?Have you ever read the Constitution Faith? Even if that were true (and you have offered no evidence that it is true) then you should know that that too is protected and should be protected by our Constitution.Edited by jar, : fix formatting

But you still have only posted your propaganda and never bothered to answer the questions:Have you eve actually read the Bible?Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Have you ever actually read the Qur'an?Have you ever read the Constitution Faith? Is this not what the First Amendment says?

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Are you saying that the way to maintain freedom is by taking away freedoms?

So you claim but I notice so far you have produced no evidence to support your allegation or show that there is any justification for denying basic rights to an ideology.But you still have only posted your propaganda and never bothered to answer the questions:Have you eve actually read the Bible?Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Have you ever actually read the Qur'an?Have you ever read the Constitution Faith? Is this not what the First Amendment says?

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Are you saying that the way to maintain freedom is by taking away freedoms?When a Muslim commits a crime that Muslim is subject to the same laws in the US as a Christian. But Islam is not an individual and every Muslim has the same rights of freedom of speech and worship as a Biblical Christian.In the US it seems Nazi sympathizers are far more often Christians than Muslims. Should we also take away the rights of those people?