Free will vs Omniscience

If God knows the decisions we will make before we make them then we have no freewill.But if the God only knows those actions after the act of Creation then the God is not evil.The only way for us to have freewill and for the God to have any foreknowledge is if the God can also be wrong.

Of course that position assumes that God is using the same moral system and perspective as we are and our moral system and perspective is malleable and changes with time, culture, era, society and mythos.

Well, since we do not seem to be able to create a moral system all humans of any given era will agree with and adopt I'm not sure how God could even have a "Moral system" that we would recognize.

I see no freewill in your scenario unless we can decide to take the right path and God be wrong.

That would of course be the result but what is needed for us to have freewill is for god not to know the future.

Not only is it logical it is supported by the Bible. You may have heard of that book.In some Bible stories the God character does not only not know the future but does not know the present. Also in some Bible stories the God character is certainly not personable, and in fact is aloof, apart and does not interact with any of his creations. And many if not most of the God characters are at best amoral and often down right immoral. Again, the Bible says that is what we are supposed to do.

Except you have not shown any way that could even be possible if the decision is already known. You might think it was your own personal reasoning abilities but if the outcome was already foreknown then I see no way your belief could be factual.

LOLBut what can a Christian God belief be based on other than the characters in the book.But if the God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, why would it favor humans over pod scum?

Why do people have a favorite pet? I've had and have lots of pets but none have been my favorite. But also I did not create the pets.I cannot imagine any reason that would make humans "more attractive" than germs if both were my creations.But Phat, what does any of this have to do with the topic or are we back to "God is Phat's servant" again?

Of course. Why would I prefer one accomplishment over another?

I never graded such things but if you do, that's fine.

You claim you are making a choice but since the outcome is known before you make it you are not making the choice, simply doin' the inevitable.See how easy it is for you to lie to yourself?Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Of course not. That does not even have any meaning. And more word salad. Kale salad likely.

So you think we are not expected to try and do our best? Again, that is simply not true Phat. You really need to stop misrepresenting what I have decided or know.What I have asked, not just once but repeatedly, is how do you determine what you have a relationship with really is God?So far there has been no explanation. But all of the evidence says that is exactly what people do, they worship the god they create and choose. That is why the God character in Genesis 1 is so different from the God character in Genesis 2&3. That is true of all despots. Is such a god worthy of respect much less worship? Should the fact that something can have its way be a criteria for love, respect or worship? But that happens to be the actual topic of this thread that had died long ago until someone resurrected it.

Utter nonsense.If god knew before you were created then that god would be evil and you would have no freewill.If god does not know before creating you but does know before you decide what to do then that god is not evil but you still have no freewill.It really is that simple.