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Author Topic:   Christians And Science Don't Get Along
herebedragons
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Message 4 of 93 (776858)
01-21-2016 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
01-21-2016 11:30 AM


The conflict is specifically between the Bible and the scientific claims that support evolution,
So what does the Bible say about climate change, genetic engineering and vaccines, which are scientific issues that seem to be in conflict with a significant portion of the evangelical population? There is something else going on besides just rejection of evolution because of Biblical teachings.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 6 of 93 (776864)
01-21-2016 3:05 PM
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01-21-2016 2:00 PM


Precisely. So why does the same group of people who object to evolution for Biblical reasons also reject climate change, vaccinations and genetic modification? I am not asking what the reasons are that they reject those areas; I am asking why the same group of people reject a wide range of scientific ideas. It seems "anti-science" or at least anti progressive science.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 8 of 93 (776870)
01-21-2016 5:35 PM
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01-21-2016 4:58 PM


BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT ASKING ABOUT A CLASH BETWEEN THE BIBLE AND SCIENCE THIS IS OFF TOPIC.
Writing in all caps does NOT help the conversation, so I assume you are trying to shut the conversation down.
However, maybe you could read the title of the thread...
"Christians and science don't get along" not "Bible and science" so this is NOT off topic. If you don't want to have a discussion then just don't.
There is a connection. Fundamental Christians tend to deny human mediated climate change and they think vaccinations and genetically modified foods are dangerous. I don't have the time right now to dig up a bunch of sources, just do a google search for Christians and any of those terms and you will see the connection.
I did not say ALL Christians deny these sciences. ABE: Nor did I say ONLY Christians deny these sciences. /ABE I asked the question why so many Christians tend to reject these other areas of science that have no Biblical basis rather than embracing them and even supporting them??
So the first two categories are not evangelical concerns, that I'm aware of, AS I SAID, and I'm not up on genetic modification and don't know if it's particularly an evangelical concern or not.
Why are they NOT evangelical concerns?? Are we not charged to care for the earth? Should we not be concerned with the "toxins" we put in our bodies? Should we be playing God and manipulating the genetic information in plants, animals and humans? How are these NOT Christian concerns?
If Christians actually DO accept science why are these issues NOT evangelical concerns?
HBD
Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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From: Michigan
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Message 9 of 93 (776871)
01-21-2016 5:45 PM
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01-21-2016 4:58 PM


Correlation
Actually take a look at this article from the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ont-have-to-be-in-conflict
here is the chart presented in that article
Notice the correlation between support of evolution and support of environmental regulations? As support for evolution goes down so does support for environmental regulations. Now you are aware that it IS "the same group of people" - at least as far as climate change is concerned.
So why? What do you think there is this connection?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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