Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

No I'm not sure, I've seen it both ways, and I can't find a definative tabulation - listing results from votes separate from superdels.Seems the media is ... inadequate...But the point remains that Hillary is benefitting from establishment superdels.

google is your friend.The dem establishmen instigated this after McGovern ... so that they could retain some control over the party. They account for 15% to 20% of the total deligates. Listing them now is an establishment move to disourage Bernie voters, because they can change their minds, and historically have followed the popular vote.The GOP also has superdels.The system is rigged.Welcome to the USSAEnjoy

Do you mean the English language as used in England, Canada and the US?Or do you just mean the US where we had the McCarthy red-scare nonsense perpetuated on people to scare them?(1) the socialist policies that Bernie proposes are similar to socialistic policies in England, Canada, France, Germany, and the Nordic countries -- especially those Nordic countries. They are not radical, they are based on the perception of basic human rights as codified in the UN Human Rights Declaration.(2) Bernie is a socialistic democrat, and that means tempering capitalism with social justice, rather than replacing it, with the specific mix of socialism and capitalism decided democratically. Of course the rich and large corporation people would fear his policies (minimum living wage, paid sick and maternity leave, equal pay for work of equal value) but that doesn't mean that these policies are bad for workers - quite the contrary. Except that she is scrambling to the left to counter Bernie's popularity and out of her comfort zone. She wants to be Obama's 3rd term and not make waves. I seriously doubt that any banksters would be broken up or prosecuted by her. The use of ad hominem usually means your argument is weak and based on personal opinion and bias rather than reason.I predict that Bernie will beat Hillary in Nevada and be in a virtual tie with her in S.Carolina and that her campaign will become even more strident (hopefully with no more dog barking ... )Enjoy.

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Presidential Candidates That said, I am not interested in a pissing match to see who can dump on Hillary the most. Much of what you say I agree with, you are just more extreme in your condemnation than I am. It is easy to call every modern President a war-criminal, but ... ALL the GOP candidates want to turn the middle east into World War 3 and alienate all types of muslims and arabs in the process. Even use Atomic bombs to "make the sand glow" ... and they want to use even more "enhanced" interrogation (torture) than Schrubbia.Hillary is still better than any of the GOP, yes she is a war-hawk but not a "wipe them all off the face of earth" hawk. But it is important to have a democrat president if for no other reason than Presidential appointments, to the Supreme Court, the Federal Courts and other positions. Can you imagine Trump appointing Cheney?This was known before, but now with Scalia's death it is even more in focus to the general public: we not only need a democrat President, we need a majority in the senate, preferably a super-majority.So you can call Message 76 a win if you like.Enjoy

Hi Faith, I'm just jumping in here for a quick point ... Unjust laws only get changed when enough people protest them. Take the massive US incarceration rate that is an embarrassment for a nation that claims to be a light for freedom, justice and equality.Most of the young black inmates are there for two reasons: (1) structural racism (and the zombie paradigm of superpredators), and (2) for possession of marijuana and the "three-strike" legislation.We can argue about the merits of marijuana, but it is less dangerous than alcohol and it does have some valid medicinal uses. It should not be used as an excuse to lock people up when prescription drugs ARE addictive and cause other problems.Here's the question: if use of marijuana is legalized across the nation as it currently is in Colorado, what should be done with all those prisoners whose only crimes are marijuana possession 3 times? Should they continue to be imprisoned (at taxpayer expense)? Should they be released? Should they be released with a "sorry we made a mistake"? or should they be released with a full pardon (cleaned record) and even reparations for imprisonment?EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : subt

Hi again Faith, Building a wall will not keep anyone out that really wants to get here. They will turn to more venal traffickers\smugglers to go around, under, over or through (checkpoints). The more desperate the more committed they will be to getting here. We see this with the Syrian refugees.What will keep them back is good economic growth in their home countries free of guerrilla and drug wars.Returning to changing the laws from being unjust\immoral laws to new just\moral laws, the question remains about what we do with the ones that were illegal and are now legal. So we could let in anyone, any time, and IF they commit a crime and are convicted of it in a court of law they could be deported, and that would take care of this concern, yes? (we can even stipulate they are vetted against "known terrorist" lists etc and have no criminal record in their country of origin). Pretty simple eh?Now let us consider how to integrate new immigrants into our vast melting pot nation.What do they need to do? (1) learn english (take "english as a second language" courses), (2) learn N.American history (Revolutionary War, Native American genocide, Spanish American War etc pus social movements from emancipation of slaves to women's votes to civil rights to gay rights), (3) learn the Constitution and the history behind it from the Declaration of Independence to the latest amendments and ones that are proposed).What else? Well I would replace waiting lines and lists with a probationary work period of basically being an indentured worker for a set period of time, say 5 or 10 years. At the end of that time you pass tests on (1), (2) and (3) above to become a full citizen with full (deportation proof) citizen rights.To transition from our current system I would give everyone on a waiting list credit for time spent on that list against their probationary period. And I would also give current illegals credit for time spent working in the US against their probationary period. Any infraction\crime would mean deportation and\or resetting the probationary time if they return ... or prison (depending on the crime: terrorist act, for example).This would make legal immigration more attractive than illegal immigration.American farmers and factories get workers, immigrants earn citizenship, the flood of illegals reduces to a trickle ... it's a win-win-win. Illegal immigrants are human beings and they have basic human rights, one of which is to be treated as human beings ... see the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (an interesting document -- read it and see if there is anything there that you don't think should be applied to you).Enjoy

And unjust. Especially when they divide families and separate parents from children. Curiously the incarceration and immigration problems are cut from the same cloth: treating other people as second class people ... people with less "rights" than "good" people.Detention centers in the south are no different than prisons in the north (some even run by the same "for-profit" evil companies).Freedom and liberty in this country are under attack, not from the outside, but from the inside: when we treat any person as having less rights the we are allowing others to treat more people as having less rights ... and where does that stop?Enjoy

What is common to Trump and Bernie is that the media and the pollsters are surprised by how well they are doing.This is because they are all inside the "establishment bubble" and just do not see all the people that were the big losers of the economic melt-down -- the ones that lost their life savings, their jobs, their homes, and then were ignored as the big banks were bailed out with billions of dollars (some of which went to bankster bonuses) while all they saw were the repo-men.Hillary doesn't get it, Bushy3 doesn't get it, the media doesn't get it, the pollsters don't get it. They were all well insulated from the collapse, they didn't lose homes or jobs, they had a temporary dip in life savings but are back and better off than before. For them it is as if the crash never happened.But for people that were devastated, they have been waiting 7 years for crumbs.So the conservative leaning left-outs flock to Trump, because he promises he will "make America great again" (ie restore the 1950's American Dream).And the liberal and independent leaning left-outs flock to Bernie, even some disillusioned fiscal conservatives aghast at current GOP candidates, because he will restore the base of the economy with minimum living wages, overtime and maternity leave, universal health care reducing individual costs, and free college for their kids if not themselves, and of course the young new voters. Which is why the democrat establishment (Debbie) is reporting super-delegates to inflate Hillary's current numbers (they can change any time and usually do change to reflect the popular vote -- they did for Obama when they started with Hillary).Enjoy

Actually I did not quite say\intend that I would be happy to have Hillary win the primary, but that I would be happy with any one of the three in the general election.And I will still be happy with Hillary in the general election should she beat Bernie in the primaries (while I hope Bernie wins) -- compared to the disaster of any one of the GOP candidates. I can see a Hillary\O'Malley ticket having some merit.What I see is that Bernie has significantly changed the debate, just as the Occupy Movement changed the debate. Hillary keeps sliding left to try to "suck the oxygen" from Bernie's campaign. It amuses me when in one breath she say Bernie is impractical, and in the next that she will go further and do more. Last night she said she is for free community college ... for the first time, rather than "debt free" college (code for you still pay as much as you can?).The political (r)evolution is underway, not just from Bernie supporters coming out of the woodworks, but from Working Families Party candidates and their support for Bernie.Even if he loses the nomination, he paves the way for Elizabeth Warren or someone else from that side of the Democratic Party.Enjoy

Nope. What rules the general election are candidates that have broad appeal outside the party -- it is the independent voters and first time voters that swing the election.Obama was to the left of Hillary, but he had broader appeal.Bernie has, imho, much wider appeal to general election voters because(1) he is NOT a party animal, and thus not expected to play party politics as much as Hillary in choosing appointments and cabinets,(2) he appeals to moderate (fiscal) republicans aghast at the current GOP slate, he appeals to independents with his economic plans and health insurance, he appeal to new voters, especially young voters who may be deciding their party affiliation for the first time, and(3) his star is rising, as more people learn about him his numbers go up. He is currently in a virtual tie with Hillary nationally after only two primary\caucus results. Part of this involves learning the difference between socialist and democratic socialist ... or social democrat. A popular party position in almost all European nations and Canada.This is born out in national polls of Bernie vs each GOP candidate and Hillary vs each GOP candidate. And that is while the season is still young.What becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy is saying that Bernie is not electable.Enjoy

It will be interesting to see the results of S.Carolina and compare them to New Hampshire as a model of the general election (and of head-to-head comparisons)Path to Victory | HuffPost Latest News

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Wading through the Internet you can find more of the same stuff going on. Point is, the Democrats have made the GOP's case for Voter ID. Voter fraud is there. The DNC is using it for Hillary's advantage. If you are going to use the caucus process to actually help select the president, then it has to be done right.

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Same holds true for primaries, so I expect some more skulduggery from the Clinton Machine and the DNC.

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There is another reason why it is way too early to bury Bernie. Take a look at the New Hampshire primary results. This was an open primary; meaning anyone could vote for anyone they want.

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According to Aristotle.com the New Hampshire population breaks down as follows:

GOP = 221, 984 Voters or 31%
Democrats = 190,712 or 26%
Everyone else = 307,119 or 43%

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It is the independent voters that decide the elections, this has been consistently the case for some time now -- each party is not enough to win on their own.One thing to note is that Sanders beats Trump and Trump beats Hillary and the rest are in single digits (few independent supporters?)The primary this Saturday will not include independents (unless they register as democrats) so it will be hard to get a similar picture by combining the GOP and DEM primary results.Enjoy.

He wants VP?

I may be moving some of my investments north ... and into recession proof investments ... before I need to wear a badge ...

And some say they would not enact certain acts by Trump.And now Mitch McConnell is saying Mitch McConnell Promises Trump Will Be Rejected By His Own Party If Elected (VIDEO)

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This stunning admission seems to coincide with recent reports from the New York Times, which suggest that McConnell’s telling other senators to run ads against Trump if they think he could hurt their election bids in November.

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According to Republican senators who attended private lunches with McConnell, the Senate leader believes that Trump will lose badly in a general election going head-to-head with Hillary Clinton and that campaigning Senators should position themselves as conservative insurance policies should she win the White House.

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Reports of the GOP’s preemptive rejection of Trump arrive after a Feb. 19 private luncheon involving Republican donors and governors in Washington where Karl Rove warned the attendees that Trump’s nomination may be inevitable at this point and that his candidacy could hurt other Republicans running for office in November.

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There are also reports from those in attendance at a private presentation hosted by Charles and David Koch where the billionaire brothers portrayed Trump’s record as utterly unacceptable. The Koch brothers’ critique made some high profile donors reconsider donating out of fear that they would be making a losing bet.

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Could it really happen that the GOP establishment will campaign against their party candidate because of the Frankenstein Monster they have created? Watch this space ... and Panicking Mitch McConnell Says GOP Will Help Hillary Beat Trump If He Wins The Nomination

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Things are getting truly desperate in conservative camps and the grim acceptance that this isn’t a bad dream and that Trump is almost surely going to win the nomination has begun to set in. It’s led to an odd plan. In a stunning report by the New York Times, Republican sources confirm that party leadership is planning to destroy Trump and give Hillary Clinton the win rather than let him have control of the GOP.

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To rally depressed Republicans, McConnell has hatched an unthinkable tactical retreat: Let Hillary Clinton win and focus on maintaining control over the Senate.

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Of course Mitch is more concerned about keeping the Senate Majority Leader position than with who is president -- and it would be so fun to make him a

Amusingly Trump supporters now distrust Faux Noise Nutwerk as much as they distrust the "mainstream" media.It certainly seems like things are imploding in regression-world.LOL